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Posted 09/28/2010   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Below are two German (Hamburg) stamps that don't seem to be in Michel. Does anyone know anything about them?


#1. This one I assume is some sort of relatively recent printing made to look like an old Hamburg stamp?



#2. This is perhaps a private mail service stamp?

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Posted 09/28/2010   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
German Private locals based in Hamburg.
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Posted 09/28/2010   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As warrehouse has said the second one is from a local Hamburg post, the Hamburger Boten-Institute. The Michel catalogue for these issues warns about reprints and forgeries.

The first one has the same design as an official Hamburg stamp and I expect it's a cut-out from an envelope or wrapper. The diagonal printed text at the top right is very similar in style to printing on Thurn and Taxis envelopes.

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Posted 09/28/2010   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Number 2
Boten marken



Number 1

Peculiar
Listed in Gibbons only in 1.25 and 1.5 shilling.

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Posted 09/28/2010   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Envelopes! well done Nigel.

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Posted 09/28/2010   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Envelopes!


.....or not?

I have these.









Hamburgbus1...
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Posted 09/28/2010   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
holy cutouts batman!
LB you got a lot of those.
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Posted 09/29/2010   05:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all of this great information. Londonbus (Hamburgbus??) your collection is quite amazing. I assume by the "faux" stamp that some of these (or perhaps many) are not originals.

When I read what you had written, I did a google search on "post-couvert" which is part of the black writing across the stamp (see Londonbus' 7 Schilling). It turned up a number of envelopes from old German states, including this one from Hamburg



This confirms what you have been saying.

I also came across this site
http://www.philaseiten.de/cgi-bin/i...CP=27&F=1#M2
which, when translated into English from German through Google Translator, reads as follows. The person asked for information on one of these stamps, posting a picture of a 1/2 schilling black and white cut out, similar to the second last one on the top row of Londonbus' first picture.

This is an excerpt from a Hamburg postal envelope. It is the basis of the fragment is not possible to determine from which GSU (Michel) number, he was ausgeschnipselt value destroyers. It depends on the shape of the back door and the letter of the type of Klappenpraegestempels. All these features are not available.

The cheapest varieties of unused hamburger GSU a 1/2 schilling worth only EUR 3.50 (Michel GS-Catalogue 2003). Used they are much more expensive. Wertmaessig must be a discussion of the excerpt that is not necessarily pluck all the hair. Still a shame. A case for the trash can. The gray diagonal excess pressure above the value stamp was on the other "A half-shilling postal envelope."


While this person obviously doesn't value the cut out highly, his sentence, "It depends on the shape of the back door and the letter of the type of Klappenpraegestempels" I found to be interesting, if only I could work out what it means???

It is also interesting to note that in the black overprint "Schilling" is spelt with and without an "e" on the end.
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Posted 09/29/2010   06:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi peterethio,

I believe the comment about the "back door" in your translation refers to the envelope flap and the Klappenpraegestempels refers to embossed printing on the flap.

I don't know these envelopes but I do know the similar ones from Thurn and Taxis where a number of envelopes differ in the printing on the flap which is colourless embossing of a post horn or rosette etc. They also have the two diagonal lines of text across the top of the stamp with the words POST-COUVERT etc.

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Posted 09/29/2010   5:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this too.

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Posted 08/16/2012   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Coming late to the party, I translated "post-couvert" as "postal cover", i.e., envelope, but that's just me. I have a set of the seven Hamburg items shown in earlier postings, but the colors are so fresh and intense I suspect they are reprints; more like 1966 rather than 1866.
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Posted 10/05/2012   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Art Strohmeier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have many of the same in a booklet identified as 'Hamburg Essays.' All are imperfs, and all except for a block in black, containing 1/2, 1 1/4, 2,3,4 AND 7 Pfg are singles. None have 'faux' printed on the back. Color of the paper looks the same.

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