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Posted 02/28/2012   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for clarification
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Posted 02/28/2012   08:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have one, Germany 2002 mailbox, like your first ones but it measures 28mm across the value, including the Euro symbol.

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Posted 02/28/2012   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BTW, nice website about ATM
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Posted 02/28/2012   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Puzzler,

do you have some ATM of Potugal , depicte dinosaurs on it, for exchange ?
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Posted 02/28/2012   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kug, What you see here is basically what I have at the moment. I am just going through kiloware and finding what I can but I am slow at it. If I find any I will keep you in mind.

That is not my ATM site but a collector in Germany I believe. It is a nice site though. There are a few others around. I just wanted to put some info with what I have posted so far is all.
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Posted 02/28/2012   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you know any other ATM with Dinosaurs, fossil, or any other kind of prehistoric animals on it ?
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Posted 02/28/2012   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, not yet I haven't seen any. I did see a stamp with a small brontosaurus I think that I thought most people would miss. I will go find that in my many piles here and post it for you, I guess on the dinosaur thread.
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Posted 02/28/2012   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it ATM or definitive stamp ?

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Posted 02/28/2012   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp I think. I had to go looking and found that Italy has not many ATM stamps. I think I have some in that kiloware but didn't know they were ATMs. I have not found that dinosaur but will keep an eye out.

Good site I just found on Italian stamps. In Italian but just use some translation service like Google to translate the page over. Lots of info.
http://www.ibolli.it/index.php

I think, so far, that Italy had Priority stamps plus labels which possibly were machine ATM-like labels but do not now.

For ATM's and FRAMA's the denomination value will look like it was printed on after the label was made. Stamps look like the denomination was printed with the stamps same colours and ink. Not a fool-proof method but a start to tell the difference.
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Posted 02/29/2012   05:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Puzzler,

I guess your friend forget to mentioned Singapore 1998 ATM stamps on his web site.

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Posted 02/29/2012   09:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On eBay I see these are called an unfolded booklet. Are they dispensed by an automatic stamp machine or sold over the counter at the post office? I do not have a catalogue, use the one at the library when I can get there.
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Posted 02/29/2012   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess they are dispensed by machine. On this site the below site link they are counted among the regular-looking stamps that you can buy as a booklet form from machine.
http://www.stampprinters.info/SPI_ATM%20stamps.htm

That is OK and good.

What I meant this topic about was for the ATM (German Kussendorf) dispensed or Frama (sometimes called) labels like most of those shown above. The ATM here is an abbreviation for the German Automatenmarken, which, now that I think of it, may be the word that would have been used for ATM dispensed regular stamps if Germany had had any of those.

Never mind me, I am confused more than normal today.
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Edited by Puzzler - 02/29/2012 09:58 am
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Posted 02/29/2012   09:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have to ask. I just been told today by some fellow collector, this stamps are ATM.
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Posted 02/29/2012   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure about other country's stamps and what kind of machine they use. Here in Canada the ATM means automatic teller machine and is located at a bank and dispenses money and, if they exist, stamp booklets made to be dispensed by this type of machine.

The ATM (German word) is located at a post office usually and dispenses one stamp at a time that is printed on at the time of dispensing with the value or denomination needed and paid for by the customer.

Canada (and I think USA) ATM machines, and seemingly Singapore ones also, dispense booklets of stamps and do not print on the stamps as they are dispensed so that a customer can get variable rate stamps. The stamps are all the same rate.

Somewhat confusing I know and I don't mean to nit pick, just trying to make things clearer than they were.
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Posted 02/29/2012   10:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kug to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting explanation

You are completely right about ATM in Germany, they are placed by post offices and print a value on a template stamp according to customer choise. Moreover they give you a change with stamps rather than coins.
I had a lot of ATM stamps with value 1-5 cents (my change).
If you need some German ATM stamps - let me know.
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Edited by kug - 02/29/2012 10:22 am
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