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The top three, left hand side,
are lithographed (tiny dots)
scarce issue is the 12pf with vert wmk

Similar set is typographed (lines instead of dots)
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Posted 05/03/2011   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bob de Diego to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here some more, nothing from the elusive 12pf though :(





Greetz!

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The next part of your study
should be the hammer and calipers set,
note the differing printing.

dots v lined centres........



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Very interesting rod222, this is an entire universe of types

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AWESOME scans Bob!

You should be writing a tutorial for the rest of us on your settings for resolution, dpi, color, etc.

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If memory serves (sold that part of my collection) there was another version of the worker series engraved (lines rather than dots), was there not?
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Posted 05/04/2011   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bob de Diego to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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AWESOME scans Bob!

You should be writing a tutorial for the rest of us on your settings for resolution, dpi, color, etc.

KirkS


hehe, I don't run Windows, but if you are running any Linux distro I can lead you thru the settings


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If memory serves (sold that part of my collection) there was another version of the worker series engraved (lines rather than dots), was there not?


I have no idea, these are the only ones that I have :S

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None of these stamps were printed via engraving but
by letterpress/typography(lines) or offset (dots/screening).

The letterpress ones do have the engraver's name K.Wolf
on the lower right side since this process also involves an engraver
but these are surface printed compared to recess engraving.
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ah, at least I remembered the lines.
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Bob,


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this is an entire universe of types


It certainly is an interesting universe of types! You have examples of three sets that have a lot of variations!
The first three in your first scan are from the "Five-Year Plan" series. There are 71 different issues not counting the reprints, direction of the watermark and some color variations. Yours are 1957 reprints of the first (1953) series.

Rod is correct. The 12pf with a vertical watermark has a CV of 750 EUR in mint condition. A horizontal watermark is pretty common.

You can distinguish the reprints from the original series by how "Deutsche" lines up with "Demokratische"


The stamp on the right is a reprint. The left the original.

The bottom row is a part of the Ulbricht series, a fly-specker's joy! LOL Michel's catalog devotes 6 (small-print) pages to variations!

Your second scan has copies of the official series depicting the coat of arms of the DDR. There are two major types, One series has dotted background (offset lithography printing) and another has a lined background (letterpress printing). There are paper (plain and granite) differences as well as some denominations with multiple perforations, not to mention reprints. The Michel catalog gives this series 7 pages of small print!

I can't tell from your scan if your stamps are reprints or not. One distinguishing factor is the number of dots in the outer circle.





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The Five-Year Plan series was printed in offset lithography and letterpress, so some do have lines (letterpress)


The Five-Year Plan series was printed in offset lithography and letterpress, so some do have lines (letterpress)





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Posted 05/04/2011   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice extension of information danstamps54,

Also, the dove shown on you last example
is the accepted icon for peace, and was drawn
by the artist Picasso.
The Picasso dove is found on many countries stamps including China.

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Thanks, Rod.

DDR and SBZ (Soviet Zone) stamps always seem to me to be the Rodney Dangerfields for German collectors, they get no respect. Both areas have some philatelically (and historically) interesting issues. Maybe it is because most collections are flooded with their CTO issues.

Interesting comment on the dove. A number of early DDR stamps incorporate doves in their design. Sort of ironic considering the country's history.

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That's right Dan,
I think Michel actually state the DDR reprints are actually "valueless".
which I found curious.

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Rod,

I think most collectors view DDR that way.

Rather than viewing them as worthless, I took it as a collecting challenge to find "postfrisch" copies. I got hooked on looking for the differences between the originals and the reprints.

It's the only foreign country I collect MNH. It's inexpensive (relatively) and fun.

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I recall reading somewhere that CTO's from the DDR have started to have the same value as real cancelled. Is that true or just a rumor?
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