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marko1959
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Posted 06/20/2011  11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add marko1959 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message

I am working on some 1932 plus/minus stamps. My album show many of the same stamp aka 3 cent George Washington,,, one imperforate the other regular,,, can any one show me a picture example of the difference?,,,

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rod222
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Posted 06/21/2011  01:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Left is a stamp from a sheet.
Right is the bottom RH corner of a booklet pane
Depending where the stamp resided in the pane
of six, the imperforate side will change.




Booklet pane





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jbcev80
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Posted 06/21/2011  03:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Rodney,

The stamps you show are not really imperforate. They are considered to have "straight" edges. The stamps were perforated and then cut for booklets. In cutting the perforations are trimmed thus giving the booklet stamp straight edges.

A true imperforate stamp will not have any perforations on all four sides. The stamps are printed and not run through a perforator.

Jerry B


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rod222
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Posted 06/21/2011  06:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Interesting Jerry.
describe a stamp from a booklet

surely something like 12 x imperforate?


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I_Love_Stamps
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Posted 06/21/2011  07:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

also is one rotary press and the other flat plate perhaps? the design & vignette looks larger on one than the other. (#720)

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wt1
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Posted 06/21/2011  08:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Don't forget there are coil varieties of the 3-cent George Washington stamps, too. Here are examples of Scott #721 (perf vertical) and #722 (perf horizontal):



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Posted 06/21/2011  10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KirkS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
something like 12 x imperforate


I dunno about that Rod. I think it's more common to see Perf 12 SE -- as in Straight Edge. Because the stamp would have been perf 12 on the right side also, if not for the fact that side was cut straight because of the booklet format.

With the coil stamps, like WT1 posted, I most often see them described as "Perf 12 Vertically" or "Perf 12 Horizontally"

I guess it's like the MNH M MUH debate -- there's more than one term describing the same thing.

KirkS

P.S. and don't forget my Schaubek album, where coil stamps are indicated 12/-



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marko1959
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Posted 06/21/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marko1959 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Wow thanks all this will help a ton.... My mind was drawing a blank.

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jbcev80
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Posted 06/21/2011  2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi

In the US, 19th and some 20th century stamps had a straight edge(s) depending on the stamp position in the pane.

I was wondering if there are any countries that had stamps with one or more straight edges, excluding booklet panes and stamps?

I just realized that I have never seen a Latin American stamp with a straight edge. Maybe I missed something.

Googled around and guess what? SCF had a thread on booklet panes:
http://www.stampcommunity.org/topic...PIC_ID=12766

The above shows why the booklet panes have straight edges.

Jerry B


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tonymacg
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Posted 06/22/2011  12:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Jerry, several of the Indian States (Barwani and Jasdan among them) only, or nearly so, issued their stamps in booklets. Some printings of Jasdan had straight edges, which helps identify the printings, like this sheet of SG 4:



Other States printed their stamps in full sheets, and again some printings had straight edges, which helps identify the printing. This SG 1 of Wadhwan



is partially identifiable by the straight edge.

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jbcev80
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Posted 06/22/2011  02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Tony

Thanks. By the way. What did they use to hold the stamp pane(s) together with in the booklet By the size of the holes it must have been one huge fastner.

Rodney: In Colombia there are varieties of stamps that are defined as "imperf between horizontally and imperf between vertically. Naturally these are collected in pairs.

Jerry B

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rod222
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Posted 06/22/2011  07:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Yes, I am siding with Kirk's explanation.

I am a Stanley Gibbons man.

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tonymacg
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Posted 06/22/2011  10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Jerry

I don't have a complete booklet of Jasdan - out of my price bracket - but I'd say it was probably twine. Barwani did the same with the booklets most of its stamps were issued in. You can see the binding holes in this sheet of SG 1:



Other times, they used staples, as with this booklet pane/sheet of the 2 Anna, SG 11 imperf between



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philb
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Posted 06/22/2011  4:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

doesn't imperforate mean not having any perforations..like this Hungary stamp ?




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rod222
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Posted 06/22/2011  4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Yes,
but it can also be employed to indicate a side of a stamp when
described in written form.
eg p14 x imperforate.
Imperforate by itself, describes all sides.

Perforations on stamps, are described in clockwise rotation,
(incl triangular stamps I think)
Some examples of stamps have differing perforations
on 3 sides.



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philb
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Posted 06/22/2011  4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Rod, Ok..got it..i mainly deal with the totally perfless ones !


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