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1856 British Guyana One Cent Black on Magenta

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ymc91356
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Posted 12/06/2011  6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ymc91356 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message

British Guyana (Guiana) One Cent Black on Magenta
1856
Facsimile word stamped on the back.
Looks very old stamp.
Not new stamp at all.
Possible previous owner think its a copy of facsimile.
Stamped "facsimile" by himself.
I did research online: 1856 exit some copy of facsimile used.
I am wondering how much its market value now?
I asked another stamp expert. He is not sure.



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Posted 12/06/2011  6:54 pm  Show Profile Check stallzer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

It is exactly what it states it is....a facsimile. Look at the circular date stamp it's a rubber hand stamp if I've ever sen one. Here is what the original looked like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B...uiana_13.jpg

Value would be anyone's guess as it's a novelty item. You can find these on eBay for a Dollar or Two.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Br-Guiana-S...em2eb9c2cdf0


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chasa
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Posted 12/06/2011  6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The guy you asked was no expert.

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Cjd
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Nothing about the stamp in that scan looks old. 1956, maybe, but 1856? Sure doesn't look it. If I had to guess, I'd guess 2006.

It looks like someone was trying to remove the "facsimile" from the back, which is pointless, because the back looks nothing like the 1856 issue. (Unless someone was hoping to sell it on eBay to a starry-eyed dreamer...guess I can't rule that out.)

It really shouldn't be worth twenty cents, but someone might pay a dollar or two for the novelty factor.

That's my 2d.


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"Facsimile" means that it is a copy, not authentic, fake. It is VERY easy to make a copy of a stamp and make it look old. However, this stamp does not look old in any way, shape or form. And as Stallzer stated, facsimiles are readily available and not valuable.

As an aside, if there were another one of these found, it would be unlikely to have had the corners cut, as this one has been.

This link contains more information on the history of this unique stamp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...a_1c_magenta

Brian

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ymc91356
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Posted 12/06/2011  7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ymc91356 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

http://www.coinsusallecollection.co...%20world.htm

I never said it is genius stamp.
I dont care about how much it worth.
Just fun to explore the history.
According from the link, British Guyana (Guiana) first stamp has many colors and styles.



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Cjd
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Posted 12/06/2011  8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
British Guyana (Guiana) first stamp has many colors and styles.



The stamp actually replicates Scott #13. There were several stamps issued prior to this one. It was basically an emergency issue printed locally to fill a need when regular supplies of stamps had run low. The quality was so bad that the initials were added, not as a cancellation, but as a control mark to try to prevent forgeries.

With all due respect to the creators of the site you linked to, they've just pulled together some scans from different places, and the write up appears cobbled together from different sources, with indifferent editing.

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lithograving
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I would think that this stamp on stamp from Guyana printed
in 1967 is older than that inkjet creation at the top of the page.



And at 20c catalog worth a heck of a lot more.

Maybe I should cut it out and try selling it on eBay. As a facsimile
ofcourse.



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AnthonyUK
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Posted 12/07/2011  04:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

You should return it as it is not a facsimile as you can see the differences in the frame between the original.
Facsimiles are often the only way some people can ever hope to see some of the extremely rare and valuable items.
Some are better than others though



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rod222
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There [was] another Brit Guiana magenta in Engand
but a news presenter destroyed it by dropping it into her cup of tea.





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As ymc91356 mentions... it can be interesting to look at the history, even of a facsimile. You could check out that hinge remnant (if that's what it is),the paper or the writing on the back. Maybe ball point, maybe some other older type of ink. The fact that it has that possible hinge may indicate a period before hingeless albums. Nice to get a date or period even if it is a copy

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DStamp
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When DuPont, the last owner, died, news sources reported that the famed stamp was not found.
Has anyone seen a report that it has been found???

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Posted 12/07/2011  2:29 pm  Show Profile Check stallzer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Rumor has it that it went into his safe deposit box, no news since his death though. Also, I don't believe that the BG Magenta was the first Stamp British Guiana issued.

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Posted 12/07/2011  6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

It's SG 23 ...

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as an update... the genuine stamp goes up for auction in June this year. It has not fared well since last seen in 1986.

Then (enhanced image)...



Now (actual image)...


lithograving's posting of the stamp on stamp from Guyana showed how the designers had to use a VASTLY enhanced image.

!0 -20 million pounds is the estimated auction price. Keep hold of your copies,fakes and forgeries... they will soon look better than the original.

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