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Great Britain Stamp? Counterfeit?

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Posted 05/30/2012   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mfchiro to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I havent been able to find this one in Scotts cat. it looks similar to SC151 as far as portrait, but other details are different. any experts out there that can help me identify? all feedback greatly appreciated.

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Posted 05/30/2012   3:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum. We have some real KGV experts here so I'm sure they'll have a definite answer for you. This is called the Downey head protrait, which was quickly replaced by the preferred profile.
Since the stamp looks imperf, I'm going to bet it is cut out of a postal card, which is why we can't see it in our everyday Scott's catalogue. In particular, the stamp says just 'postage' whereas the Brit stamps of the day would normally say Postage Revenue, which leads me to lean toward the card. Is the paper thick, like a card?
I'm sure you won't have to wait long for a more definitive (pardon the pun) answer.

To follow up, here's a terrific thread about this KGV design posted last year by one of our members. Recommended reading.

https://goscf.com/t/12112&SearchTerms=downey,head
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Edited by jamesw - 05/30/2012 3:36 pm
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Posted 05/30/2012   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mfchiro to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wow, I had no idea I would get such a quick reply, thank you! The paper is thin, and the front seems a little "glossy". I will be sure to visit the link you posted, and thanks again.
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Posted 05/30/2012   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's from a newspaper wrapper.
Different shades known.

Here is a similar one:
[Click on the 2nd picture down]

http://www.andrewglajer.co.uk/store...&SGN=&page=5

Londonbus1
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Edited by Londonbus1 - 05/30/2012 4:14 pm
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Posted 05/30/2012   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mfchiro to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
doubly and duly impressed. you pegged it londonbus1! mystery solved.
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Posted 05/30/2012   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, he is the Master-bus!
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Posted 05/30/2012   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Haven't seen a Great Britain (GB) wrapper before. Looks really brightly coloured compared to the stamps or postcard 'cut squares' I've seen.
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Posted 05/30/2012   7:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's from a stamped to order newspaper wrapper. You can tell by the small white dot after "HALFPENNY" at the foot.
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Posted 05/31/2012   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add xyL to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
mfchiro,
On your photo the stamp does not look brown, is it?
If it is white paper, which it looks then the stamp is a SG324 (die1b).
You will be able to tell by examining the watermark, which should be a multi cypher. These were imperforate.
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Edited by xyL - 05/31/2012 10:12 am
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Posted 05/31/2012   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add xyL to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could be a Hentshel half tone essay too. There were various designs of these with various scrolls and scripts.
If it is one of these, then it is not actually a stamp.
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Posted 05/31/2012   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
xyL, it is neither I'm afraid. It is as Londonbus described it, a newspaper wrapper cutout. GB did not issue any stamps during the KGV period with this design.
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Posted 06/01/2012   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add xyL to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A Hentshal half tone essay was not a stamp KGV.
I think it probably is a wrapper, but they were issued on brown paper and the paper does not look brown on my monitor.
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Posted 06/01/2012   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jubilee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, but a half-tone essay wouldn't be used!
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Posted 06/01/2012   5:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi xyL,

This is not from a wrapper issued by the post office as it's the wrong die.

It's from a stamped to order wrapper so any paper could have been used.
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Posted 06/02/2012   03:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add xyL to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jubilee, nigel c,
Excellent point about the cancel. I honestly did not know newspapers were posted by the post office.
I also thought that brown paper was used for the wrappers.
In that case is is not a stamp is it?
So what we have here is an item that has been cancelled by the post office and is not a stamp! Never knew such a thing existed.

Hoorah for the site.
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Posted 06/02/2012   05:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postal Stationery it is, same as printed on postcards or printed stamps on envelopes of different sorts. Still in use today.
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