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Posted 05/29/2013   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add apastuszak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Ok, just to confirm...

The 2012 Four Flags stamps come in the following varieties:

Avery Dennison Coil(4629-4632)
Aston Potter Coil (4633-4636)
Sennet Coil (4637-4640)
Avery-Dennison Booklet (4673-4676)
Ashton Potter Booklet (4641-4644)
Sennet Booklet (4648-4652)

ATM Booklet (4706-4709)

Am I missing any?
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Posted 05/29/2013   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not quite right. A couple of the booklet stamps are wrong. Here's the correct list:

AVR Coil (4629-4632)
APU Coil (4633-4636)
SSP Coil (4637-4640)

APU CB20 (4641-4644)
SSP CB20 (4645-4648)
AVR CB10 (4673-4676)
APU ATM18 (4706-4709)
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Posted 05/29/2013   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add apastuszak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent! Thank you!
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Posted 05/31/2013   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philatomic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's no AVR CB20. 4641-4644 were printed by Ashton Potter, as listed by the original poster.

There's speculation that some new numbers may be forthcoming for these, probably minor numbers. Recent reprints have shown some differences in tagging.
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Posted 05/31/2013   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about that. My typo. I corrected the reference in my previous post. The 4641-4644 is the CB20 printed by Ashton Potter (APU).
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Posted 05/31/2013   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add apastuszak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't really care about minor numbers. So that list should be good enough for me to redesign my custom page.
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Posted 07/08/2013   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can easily see the difference between the coils: AV at D/C 8-1/2, AP at D/C 9-1/2 and SSP at D/C 11

Still having a problem distinguishing AV booklet from AP booklet. I have an SSP booklet (S22222), but no AV or AP booklet. Forum threads have identified the AP flag at 18-1/2 mm and the AV ATM booklet at 19-1/4 mm, but I have not seen any identification of the AV non-ATM flag (Scott 4641-76).

Please help with ways to identify AV from AP. Thanks

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Posted 07/08/2013   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Still having a problem distinguishing AV booklet from AP booklet. I have an SSP booklet (S22222), but no AV or AP booklet. Forum threads have identified the AP flag at 18-1/2 mm and the AV ATM booklet at 19-1/4 mm, but I have not seen any identification of the AV non-ATM flag (Scott 4641-76).


A couple of errors are in the above statement.

First, Avery (AVR) never printed an ATM booklet, that was done by Ashton Potter (APU) known as Scott 4706-4709.

Also, the Avery (AVR) Flag Booklet was a CB10 and formatted vertically rather than horizontally in the booklet and is known as Scott 4673-4676. An illustration of the AVR CB10 is shown below and, yes, it is described as 19.25mm from LL to LR corner of flag, with microprinting letters in curve:





Also note that some suggest that the blue field in the flag is a slightly darker blue than those used in the other printings.
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Posted 07/08/2013   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, wt1. I have to confess that my message was a typo; thinking one thing and typing another.

The real question relates to how to distinguish among single stamps between the AV 4673-76 and the AP ATM 4706-09. It seems clear that the flag distance of the former is 19-1/4 mm. What is the flag distance of the latter AP ATM booklet?

I have nearly all the coils, with examples from each printer, and both the AP non-ATM and SSP booklets. All are microprinted USPS in the lowest white stripe, so using that as a distinguishing feature seems unworkable.

Thanks in advance.
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The real question relates to how to distinguish among single stamps between the AV 4673-76 and the AP ATM 4706-09. It seems clear that the flag distance of the former is 19-1/4 mm. What is the flag distance of the latter AP ATM booklet?


The APU ATM18 (4706-09) is 18.5mm from LL to LR corner of flag (as opposed to 19.25mm for the AVR CB10 (4673-76).)

The other dead giveway is that the APU ATM18 (4706-09) is on very thin paper as compared to the other Flag varieties. It's readily noticeable if the stamp is off-paper; not as noticeable if the stamp is on cover.

Hope that description helps.
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Posted 07/09/2013   2:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, indeed; thanks wt1.

Last question: What is meant by "Convertible Booklet"?

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Last question: What is meant by "Convertible Booklet"?


Official definition:


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Convertible Booklet - a small pane of modern self-adhesive postage stamps, sold flat, but designed to be folded into booklet form when the peelable strip(s) is removed. These booklets do not have separate covers. The backing paper serves as the cover. The complete unfolded convertible booklet is considered to be a booklet pane, and the liner paper to which the stamps are attached is the booklet cover.
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Posted 07/10/2013   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
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"The complete unfolded convertible booklet is considered to be a booklet pane, and the liner paper to which the stamps are attached is the booklet cover."
I think that definition was back from when the CB's were single sided. For the double sided ones, I suspect the label might be considered a "cover" of sorts.
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Posted 09/09/2013   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is anyone familiar with a variety of the coil version of this stamp with the perforation endings as shown on the top (especially UL) portion of the stamp? It looks almost as if the perforations have been miscut:

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It looks similar to a fold-over before cutting. But I don't know how that is possible with a self-adhesive stamp.

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