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1906? 'M M Vienne' Painting Poscard ? Belgium Cancel? Help

 
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Posted 02/25/2012   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wayne to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have it many many years near to twenty years old,Could Have some one person tell me what's the postcard?













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Posted 02/25/2012   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A lovely Belgian Postcard of two young ladies ice skating. Very nice.
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Posted 02/25/2012   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wayne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a nice descriptions for it.
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Posted 02/26/2012   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not a postcard person but this struck me as a nice card.
Vintage Victorian (Edwardian?) Ladies Ice Skating.

Produced by M.M.Vienne, I spent the last hour having an enjoyable search around on eBay, Delcampe and Google for other cards put out by him (M. Monk Munk ?) but haven't found one the same as yours yet.

A lot (400+) of M M Vienne cards are numbers on the back and sold as such. I am not sure if no numbering makes this an earlier one or a later one.
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Edited by Puzzler - 02/26/2012 12:16 am
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Posted 02/26/2012   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From http://www.metropostcard.com/publishersm2.html


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Max Munk (1900-1917)
Vienna, Austria

An important publisher of artist signed cards that covered a whole range of topics and styles. Their holiday cards and images of women are the best known. Their cards, manufactured in Austria, were originally printed in chromolithography that they later replaced with the tricolor process. These cards are usually just labeled M.M. Vienne. They also puplished a few stray postcards for the Detroit Publishing Company.
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Posted 02/26/2012   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wayne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To Puzzler,very nice publisher comany informations about the "Max Munk 1900-1917,Vienna Austria"and detail of the style and card's picture topics,but who painting the card?the artist he/she does famous artist in 1906?

The another hands,what's that Belgian stamp? and cancelled "FOREST-EZ-BRUXELLFS"on stamp cancellation of surface ?
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The cancel or postmark says FOREST-LEZ-BRUXELLES which is 'Brussels' Forest' in English (translated roughly from French), which would be a place name in the Brussels Commune (area) of Belgium.



I am guessing here at the remainder or remaining parts of the cancel:

10 = day date

FEVR - abbreviation in French for février (February in English)

10-11 is time of day time stamp in military time (used by some Post Offices) so between 10 hundred hours (or 10:00 AM) and 1100 hours.

08 = Year = 1908.

There are Belgium collectors on SCF here who could verify this. Perhaps change your title (edit your first post by clicking on the edit icon above your post) to add something like Belgium cancel help? and 'M M Vienne'

The artist I searched for at first no luck, so I am thinking I mis-spelled the name somehow.

I read it a 'J. Van der' and then 'Cross' or 'Cress' or 'Vrees' and then I was lost. Next character is maybe a y or a j? In my searches for painted postcards I dd not run across anything with a similar name that was the artist.

'Tis a nice card so I was fascinated to search and look but I am no expert on them at all nor have any Austria-made (Viena) postcard catalogues nor even a Belgium catalogue for the stamp.

Put the country name in the title also to attract people knowledgable about Belgium.
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Posted 02/26/2012   06:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wayne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why you says the cancell is "remainder" ?

To Puzzler,
1.About the cancelled year "06"=1906?or Your guess at 08(1908)?

2.Mis-spelled the Artist name sure ~ no any idea to know who does he or she! : (

3.Why post a no idea stamp then cancelled by the Belgium post stamp if it made from Austria,Is it a private postcard? so not shown on both countries catalogue ?!
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Posted 02/26/2012   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By saying remainder I mean the remaining parts of the cancel. Sorry for any misunderstanding.


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1.About the cancelled year "06"=1906?or Your guess at 08(1908)?

My eyes may be tired also. It could be '06', it may be that I am mistaking a part of the stamp for a part of the cancel. It is always better to have the actual stamp / cancel in hand do you can turn it and view it at different angles and lights.


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3.Why post a no idea stamp then cancelled by the Belgium post stamp if it made from Austria,Is it a private postcard? so not shown on both countries catalogue ?!

Perhaps my fault for not phrasing my words so the meaning is clear.

That is a Belgium stamp (Belgique is Belgium in French) with a Belgium cancel. This means only that the postcard was mailed or posted from Belgium.

Where the card was manufactured is another story. It was made in Austria I am assuming because the postcard maker Max Munk was based in Vienna, Austria.

The postcard was made so it could be used in many countries. There are three languages on the back. Carte Postale is French, Postkarte is German, Cartolina Postal is Italian. So this card could have been used in many counties in Europe. People in Belgium would speak French or English or perhaps other languages like German. It is a multiple-country-use-card.

The artist could have been from anywhere in the world and just sold his work to Max Munk to be reproduced on postcards.
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Posted 02/26/2012   06:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wayne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To Puzzler,
Very clear when I read Your addition description,Again many thanks!
You are expert on postcard knowledge fields.
Base of interest in this postcard, I hope there is more to assist and complement the description on the Belgian postmark, thanks!
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