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U432i Die 9 Varieties

 
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Posted 04/27/2014   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The 2 cent circs also exhibit die 9 varieties similar to those on the 3 cent.





Head size (9.25 v 8.75); hair meeting bust in different ways; shape of the numerals; length of crossbar in the G; middle bar in E of STATES (one centered, one high); . . .

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Posted 04/27/2014   5:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Again, early and late states.
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Bill,

While I agree that we should not let die wear cause us to add pseudo-varieties to the catalog, the differences between these two examples have nothing to do with die wear.

I have a hard time seeing how they could be working dies from the same master, but I suppose that is possible.

I wonder what the ERP database can tell us about this?

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The ERP database seems to indicate that the large head die was in use at the beginning of die 9's run, as I didn't see any small heads on database entries on 1929 paper (with the caveat that not all images in the database had the resolution to do a proper identification).

This non-scientific survey would seem to bear out Bill's position that one die was early and the other was later.

It still remains to be shown that the small head die exists as a worn version of the original large head die. I'm of the opinion that it is not. But, the whole process of going from master die to hob die to working die is complicated enough to yield just about any verdict.
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I'll see your worn plate/late state and raise you mine! (sorry it's a little askew, but I scanned it with other stamps and am too lazy to scan it again)





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Posted 09/27/2014   1:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Magguss,

Looks like just another vinyl working die variety of die 1. The vinyl plates wore quickly and produced an untold number of unlisted (deservedly so) varieties. A few of these varieties were mistakenly listed at one time but have since been deleted. See my book: Collector's Guide to (the) Circular Dies, the Washington-Franklins of U.S. Postal Stationery
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Ah, thanks! I was more confused about the way it looked than the die number I guess. Have a fair amount of these, and just started to organize them. This was one of those "one of these is not like the others" cut square. It's just... large I guess on the lettering. Hadn't come across any others, but thanks for letting me know it's common!
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