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Posted 06/12/2014   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pjsstamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have the attached cover that has either O18 by the National Banknote Company or O99 by the American Banknote Company. It is cancelled in 1882 which has me leaning toward American. It is on cover so determining soft vs hard paper is tough for me. I have a tough time telling when they are loose.




Thanks for your help,
Pat
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Posted 06/12/2014   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjsstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a better scan of the stamps.


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Posted 06/13/2014   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would say that a date in 1882 is a clear indicator of it being the 1879 issue. In addition, the paper does look to be soft porous paper for two reasons: The paper of the stamp seems to stand out a bit from the cover (thicker paper) and the perf ends have more of a frayed look. Another indicator is in the stars at the top of the six cent stamp. In the 1873 issue, the shading in the stars is centered, while in the 1879 issue, the shading is offset to the right. Lastly, and least conclusively, the color of the stamps appears to me to be pale vermillion, which was a color on the 1879 issue.
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Posted 06/13/2014   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjsstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Antonio, I rarely see official covers from a small town and this was in a box lot that had very little Minnesota material. I bought the lot for basically three covers I had to have. This was one of them.
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Posted 06/13/2014   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is quite lovely.
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Posted 06/13/2014   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this is pretty much for my own info- I just bought some officials and am learning about them- I was browsing and am practicing on your question- forgive the intrusion...just passing through.

your O17 or O98 3c washington seems to be in the same boat

the thin/hard paper O17 or O18 of 1873 Vermilion it says in the postal guide to us stamps it is PERF.12 Non Watermarked.

the soft porous O98 or O99 1879 Vermilion it doesn't mention PERF. or Water Mark.

-----------------this is the deciding mark for me---------------
the 1873 were supplanted 5/1/1879 by penalty envelopes (which it appears your stamps are on a penalty envelope) so I would guess your stamps are of 1879, O98 3c and O99 6c. (7/5/1884 were declared obsolete.)(unless it is totally messed up where they allowed 1873 issues to be used on the 1879 penalty envelopes along with the 1879 issued stamps-they should have caught it and disallowed the 1873 usage on the penalty envelope)(how would they know which stamps they were 1873 or 1879? -->by paper type)

specialty catalog has colors
O17 3c vermilion,dull vermilion or bright vermilion.
O18 6c vermilion,dull vermilion, bright vermilion or scarlet vermillion.
O98 3c vermilion or pale vermilion
O99 6c vermilion,pale vermilion or scarlet vermilion

http://www.1847usa.com/BanknotePaperTypes.htm
i read this link on paper it seems to head us in the right direction and maybe even our UV lights can help but it gives examples on other stamps that you might not have attached to the envelope to practice on to determine what paper you have.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/jaffer/Color/S.htm
i just threw in this color chart it was interesting for vermilion but confusing too. Makes sense that charts are not much help due to age and fading.

lastly learned how to spell vermilion one L

ugh time for a break
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Posted 06/13/2014   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
LarryBruce, do you know what the numeric references on the color chart indicate?
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Posted 06/13/2014   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i do not know and that is what was confusing it would be helpful to know the color they are calling those little blocks that are numbered.
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Posted 06/23/2014   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From what I observe... the left stamp's image is quite a bit taller than the right, which might be indicative of either American or National (or perhaps, just the different denomination)... check for measurement data, which may help...
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