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The One Decent Revenue Item From My Local Show

 
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Posted 10/25/2014   10:04 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This weekend was my local stamp show, CUPEX. In years past I would have spent both Saturday and Sunday at the show, with all sorts of fun stuff to choose between, but this year the pickings were abysmally slim. I was done by 2PM and waon't be going back tomorrow. I picked up a few revenues to flip on eBay, a few $1-2 cancels, and the item below. Oh well, it just means that I have more to spend at CHICAGOPEX next month.

R13b part perf pairs are not especially scarce. What makes this one unusual is that it is mint with original gum. As we have previously discussed, the vast majority of uncanceled 1st-3rd issues sold as "mint" are not, having been soaked or lifted from documents. Original gum mint revenues are not common by any means.


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Posted 10/25/2014   10:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know it's just an inking anomaly, but if I were to flyspeck the stamps I'd particularly note the LR numeral "2" -- the base of the numeral in each stamp looks different, probably due to overinking.
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Posted 10/26/2014   01:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK This might be a dumb question but then again I'm not a revenue collector per-say, but why is the top and bottom stamp look like they was snipped/cut with scissors? Was that a common practice for revenues in the day like postage stamps were? I am aware of the multitudes of "imperf" fakes being sold as legitimate but I don;t believe that has anything to do with this beautiful specimen though.
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ILS, they undoubtedly were cut with scissors. That's why imperforate and part perforate first issue revenues are so attractive to fakers. The ideal way to tell that these stamps are not fakes is to have a pair like the one above posted by revenuecollector. Since it is imperforate between the two stamps, it is obviously genuine.
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Posted 10/26/2014   09:59 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scissors, razor, by hand, whatever was expedient. Sometimes you'll see very ragged edges where the stamp was separated by tearing along the edge of a steel rule, like the stamp below (most commonly found on the larger high denomination stamps).

This is a fairly scarce stamp, R96a, cataloging $3,500.

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Posted 10/27/2014   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Appears to be part of perforation, right side directly opposite first diamond from top. Many other indications of perforations, mostly on right side.

Does any body else see these?

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Posted 10/27/2014   03:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tank you for the great explanation!
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Posted 10/27/2014   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are most welcome!

Tank you!

What do you think about the perforation indications?

I'd very much like to hear what other collectors think about this stamp

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Posted 10/27/2014   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that the R96a is imperforate on all sides and that what stampmaster sees is not a perforation. I'm at work and don't have a catalogue to check, but I don't think that R96b (part perforate) even exists.
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Posted 10/27/2014   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No genuine part perforates above the $1 (and probably not the $1 either). This $10 probate is a genuine imperf, as stated above the stamps were separated using a steel rule; torn into strips first and than made into singles.
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Posted 10/28/2014   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampmaster, I agree it is hard to ignore what looks like perf. top right of the 10 dollar. Just a random coincidence caused by the steel ruler.
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Posted 10/28/2014   1:06 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just due to the coarseness or raggedness of this type of tear, it is likely that you'll at some point see a notch that looks much like a perforation.

However, given that perforations were applied in a uniform line (line perfed), if you look at how far inwards the notch in question is, there is no way it could be a lone residual perf. If it were trimmed from a perforated example, there would have had to have been other perforations that fell within the boundaries of the existing paper.

Not to mention that the margins on the $5 and $10 denominations were usually miniscule compared to other denominations (with the possible exception of the $1.30, $1.60, and $1.80 denominations), for this to have been a trimmed example, the original stamp would have had to have been a jumbo the likes we've not seen.
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Posted 10/28/2014   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revenuecollector

Perhaps you are correct, seems to make sense to me what you say!


Will you be sending this one in for a certificate? I hope you will share with all of us what the certificate says.

Good luck, keep finding the good stuff.


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Posted 10/28/2014   11:27 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was purchased with a Bill Weiss cert as genuine. I see no reason to spend more money send it to the PF. There's no need. Those versed in 1st issue revenues can tell what it is at a glance. Even if it had not come with a cert, it wouldn't need one for genuineness, only the presence or absence of faults.
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Posted 10/29/2014   04:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Boy-o-boy! would I ever love to just sit down and have you show me through your collection! I've watched you for years very carefully assemble a rather unique and upscale collection of beautiful revenue stamps and M&M stamps & patent med. cancels so it must be something to behold! I'm serious here I have literally been in awe looking over some of the stuff revenuecollector has posted...like a few years back when you bought (and scanned) all those revenues on piece and with all the different cancellations on them...I'm not trying to stroke your ego but you should be very proud as I'm sure you are of all your hard work (or fun might be a better word) so Thank you for the education! VERY respectfully -Jeff
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Posted 10/29/2014   07:40 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the sentiment. One point of clarification though: I don't collect M&M's; that's Bart.

It's coming up on 13 years since I first started collecting U.S. revenues, so I'm still a relative newbie compared to many who have been collecting revenues for 30-50 years. I only wish I had noticed them earlier... I've had to deal with rising and/or elevated catalog values as I've built my collection. Had I started in the '80s or '90s, let alone the '70s, prior to run-ups as many of the long-time revenue collectors have been able to, it would have been easier on the wallet (or credit card).

Also, there appear to have been far more revenue-focused auctions back in the '70s-'90s to be able to choose from on a regular basis. Now, while there are occasional high-profile revenue auctions from Siegel and occasionally revenue-focused auctions from Schuyler-Rumsey or Kelleher, you don't have the regular auctions from Aldrich or Kaufmann; Spink USA is no longer relevant, etc.

Conversely, eBay didn't exist back then, which provides a fertile hunting ground for the obscure.

Knocking on wood, I've got another 25-30 years of collecting ahead of me, so who knows what the collection will look like before all is said and done.
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