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Posted 11/19/2014   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add JO PRIESTHOFF to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Ran across these in a box of old stuff. They are different than the original Match & Medicines. Are they re-issues? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
























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Posted 11/19/2014   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know nothing about Match and Medicine stamps, but will comment on John F. Henry's facial hair. DANG, John! That must have taken a while to grow!
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Posted 11/19/2014   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Referring to the John F. Henry stamp, checkout the bottom of this link for information on the stamp in question:

http://www.rdhinstl.com/mm/rs112.htm
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Posted 11/19/2014   4:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure exactly what these are, but they aren't match and medicine stamps as that term is ordinarily used. They're probably just labels printed by the companies who at one time also used private die proprietary stamps on their products. With a couple of exceptions, they don't have denominations, and it doesn't look like they had anything to do with payment of a tax. The one cent Hostetter & Smith is an exception and a mystery to me. The Od Chemical Company stamps are very similar to that company's private die proprietary stamp but don't say "United States Internal Revenue" at the bottom.
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Posted 11/19/2014   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With the exception of the Hostetter & Smith, and the Schenck, they are all facsimile labels used by the patent medicine manufacturers after the proprietary taxes ended. Many of the producers had advertising saying to look for their private die stamp as proof that it was the genuine product and not a counterfeit. When the taxes ended, they used the facsimile labels so that the consumer would know that they were buying the genuine snake oil. Lanman & Kemp still uses a facsimile of their civil war proprietary stamp on bottles of their Florida Water to this day.
The Hostetter & Smith is similar, but is a demand note. I think these were like coupons that could be turned-in for cash. Not sure what the Schenck is, it could be part of a product label, rather than an adhesive label.
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Posted 11/19/2014   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jo - thanks for posting these. I don't think these are all that rare, but they are a challenge to find since they are not officially part of the M&M "canon". I've found a number of them as part of M&M collections I've bought. They are listed in volume seven of Springer's Handbook of North American Cinderella Stamps. The schenck is not listed (there is a different one however resembling their RS212. The K & Co. is #158M1 with a 1975 value of $2. The Piso is #101M2a, $2.50; The Dr. D. Jayne is #149M1, $3.25; the Barclay is not listed (I think that one is more recent than the others); the Sanmetto (both are the same, one has been cut down) is #302M1a, $3; the Dr. Pierce is unlisted; the Hostetler & Smith is as SPQR explains and probably predates the 1862 law; the B. Brandreth is 35M2, .75 or $1.25 depending on the paper; and the John Henry isn't listed in the book, although it is probably the one I've seen most frequently. I would imagine they are all worth quite a bit more than what's listed in Springer's book. Good stuff! Do you mind if I use your scans? I'm making M&M pages for my collection and eventually to offer to others.
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Posted 11/19/2014   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Southpaw -
the Pierce (and Hostetter) are listed in Griffenahagen's Private Die Proprietary Medicine Stamps published by the ATA. The Griffenhagen book just has a listing - no prices
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Posted 11/19/2014   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And if anyone else has other facsimile labels of M&M co's, I would love to get scans of those too!
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Posted 11/20/2014   10:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JO PRIESTHOFF to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for your input. I really appreciate it.
Southpaw, feel free to use the scans!
Jo
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Posted 11/20/2014   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Schenk's red label was used on the bottles, and is relatively scarce. The others are fairly common; all are listed in one of the Springer catalogs. I believen it is the 6th edition, but I do not have them handy at the moment.
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Posted 11/20/2014   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The current value for these are between $5-$10 for the most part. There are some VERY scarce m&m facsimiles however, worth hundreds of dollars each.
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Posted 11/21/2014   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YoshiRules2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, $5-10? The detail on some of those looks wonderful.
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Posted 11/22/2014   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hay44dt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I noticed all these listed yesterdayon eBay. I think they are Cinderellas or company lables all are similar to medicine revenues without values or internal revenue.
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Posted 11/26/2014   12:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes strange - these very stamps = with these very scans are listed by Bargainhuntersfriend aka Dr. Jim
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Posted 11/27/2014   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have found this site most helpful IDing my match stamps. Doesn't list Scott numbers but all other info is there.
http://www.rdhinstl.com/mm/mma1.htm
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Posted 11/27/2014   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that site has a lot of good basic information distilled from the sources he lists, and a lot of terrific images.
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