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R151 With A Nice Scratch

 
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Posted 04/15/2015   5:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampmaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi All

It's been my experience to have not seen very many R151's with plate varieties. Here is one with a very nice scratch.

I've posted two images, one a general overall scan, and one enlarged the area in question and with enhancements added.

Does anyone else have and I would enjoy seeing other R151 with plate varieties to share and post images.









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Posted 04/16/2015   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one for you Dave.

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Posted 04/16/2015   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Al E. Gator

Now this is really nice, I mean really nice, actually outstanding!

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Posted 04/17/2015   01:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Dave, here's another interesting R151.



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Posted 04/17/2015   01:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Al E. Gator, I see what you mean, what do you think caused this?

At first I thought perhaps it was a streak, but then realized streaks are usually some color from the design. These are colorless (for lack of a better word) streaks.

Wonderful!

Dave
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I'm not sure if its considered a relief break or not, but it seems to be progressive? What's your opinion?





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Quote:
What's your opinion?


My opinion is that you've got way too many of those ...

Just kidding. I have a couple (I think) that I'll have to examine later. Sure looks like a progressive issue, though not sure what it is.
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Posted 04/17/2015   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've about 550+ copies that I picked up about a year ago along with several copies of a couple of other revenue issues.
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Posted 04/17/2015   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Al E. Gator, my opinion is the same as yours, relief breaks, its nice to see the progression.

Was the purchase/trade for the 550 copies something you were looking for, this revenue issue, or just an accident.

Are you interested in cancels on revenues, I am.

How about double transfers, found any on these?

Again, nice to see the relief break in progression! Real nice.

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Great examples, Dave. I'd like to get some clarification on relief breaks, and how they can be progressive.

I found the following definition:

"A relief break occurs when a tiny piece of the transfer roll breaks off, leaving an unintended white space on the printing plate. Every plate position made by the same relief will show the same plate variety. Relief breaks tend to progress over time from tiny to larger unprinted areas."

I think I understand what this means, but let's find out. Since the break is on the transfer roll, does the progression only happen if more breaks off when the same transfer roll relief is used to make a new plate position? So each position, once entered on the plate, wouldn't progress change during the use of the plate other than normal plate wear.

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Posted 04/17/2015   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dave (stampmaster), there is a monthly flea market in Nashville that I occasionally go to. There is a vendor there from somewhere in the northeast and he will usually bring some stamps with him. I've bought a few things from him from time to time. He had a large lot of revenues (several hundred but only about 8-10 different issues) that I bought about a year ago. I'm not really into collecting revenues but thought it might make for a good rainy day "something to do". I did find some silk papers, some transfer issues on some R15c, several Hartford and New Hampshire R.R. cancels on R44,47,48c,some double rows of perfs. and a lot of manuscript cancels and a few different, I guess, machine cancels.

Ray, I'm really don't have much more knowledge about relief breaks other than what you posted. I think you are correct that the progression occurs as more pieces break off as the transfer roll is in use, but I really don't know that much about them.

Dave

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raymodj, I do not know where you found the definition for relief breaks, especially how they can be progressive.

I know of three good references, relief breaks were extensively studied by F. A. Neill and somewhat by Max Johl. But the best reference I know of, is the Cloudy's book, especially in regards to 405 1 cent green. He has many mats shows the progressive examples, identified by references to his way of naming reliefs.

Hope this answers fully your post, do not think I could improve on Cloudy's book. Cloudy was the person who explained the relief breaks to me thru many discussions.

Al E. Gator, I think you have found the perfect rainy day activity. But this would not work for me because where I live it hardly ever rains. But suppose I could do it when the winds blow, usually blows sometimes three days at a time. Not good, unless you enjoy dust.

Cheers

Dave
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Posted 04/18/2015   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Al E. Gator, reference your scanned image of 04/16/15 2006 hours.

Looked thru some of my dupes, and found one I had not noticed before, very similar to your posted image, just not as nice as yours.

The second image I've posted here was enhanced!










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