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Posted 04/20/2015   08:10 am  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 1typesetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Granted, it's not in the best of shape anyway, but what would possess someone to reperf a valuable stamp that cannot possibly exist perforated on all four sides???????



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Posted 04/20/2015   08:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Usually because they are ignorant, and don't know that they were not issued this way. Many non revenue collectors do not.
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Posted 04/20/2015   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi All, for those who don't know about these. Here is a scan of R679, these come in pane of four this example is the bottom section. So the example shown above (R687) would have been from either one of the two between sections of the pane between the top and bottom section of the pane.





I do not have a complete pane of four, perhaps one of the members would allow a scan of the pane of four?

Sometimes you can find Battleship Revenue Stamps that someone has used to practice on with fake perfs. I do not have one, but friends of mine have one. I suspect most are destroyed after the faker has mastered his work. (Evidence you know).

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Posted 04/20/2015   10:55 am  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a complete pane.

Serial number places it as the 3rd stamp from the top.



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Posted 04/20/2015   12:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For perforation 12, it is Kiusalas 12-67 = 11.75
It was a Rosback stroke perforator with U.S. patent 1125723
See:https://www.google.ca/patents/US1125723
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Posted 04/20/2015   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1typesetter, let me get this correct, you are saying every one of these stamps that have the serial number where a "9" is the last digit, will always happen in the third position from the top?

If this is the case, then what about the other serial numbers, they were not used? Would this not make accountability very difficult?

I think the serial numbers start at number 1 and continue onto the last pane printed in that series, then start over again at "1" for the next series. But I really do not know for sure, but it makes sense to me.

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Posted 04/20/2015   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampmaster.....only 1/2 of the #s ending in 9
is in the 3rd position.
Since these were issued in sheets of 4....
#19 would be the 1st in the 3rd position....
then every 20 after that.
#09 would be 1st position....
#29....also, next 20.....same
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Posted 04/20/2015   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Use the last two digits to find position, not the last one.
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Posted 04/20/2015   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These were indeed perforated 12-67, making them very unusual revenues. Most are 12-66. The combination of a thick soft paper and a general lack of caring means that the perfs on the reds, greens and silver tax high value stamps can be very funky looking at times.
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Posted 04/20/2015   4:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
kevin504, the way 1typesetter described it sure sounded to me like every third position from top of pane would end in a 9. Kenin504, these were issued in panes not sheets!

I knew better, just want to clarify what was stated.

Revcollector, exactly how would I determine the right and proper position of an example from a pane only using the last two digits? I do not understand how or why the digits would indicate the position from the pane?

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Posted 04/20/2015   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1typesetter - welcome to the family. I've seen you on eBay! Purchased from you too! Are you the same guy?
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Posted 04/20/2015   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stampmaster....like I stated above....
and revcollector stated.....you can tell the position from the last 2 #s.
Pane = sheet.....same thing here....there were 4 to a sheet.
Look above....there is even a photo.
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Posted 04/20/2015   5:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
last 2 digits.....
01
02
03
04
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05
06
07
08
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09
10
11
12
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13
14
15
16
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17
18
19
20

EASY....that should help you better understand.
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Posted 04/20/2015   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
kevin504, yes now I understand sort of easy. But I suppose you could just well use the whole number!

A sheet and a pane are not the same thing. In this case a sheet is printed up, then cut done into panes. The sheet is not cut down into sheets. This is a pane!

Dave
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Posted 04/20/2015   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The whole number really does not tell you, only the last two digits will tell you. So it still comes down to using those digits.
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Posted 04/20/2015   7:43 pm  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
southpaw

Thanks! Yep, one and the same.

At my age it's hard to keep track of user IDs and passwords so I try to make it easy on myself.

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