Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read
Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

New Color Variety For Scott 620?

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 11 / Views: 1,568Next Topic  
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1189 Posts
Posted 01/27/2017   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stampman2002 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently pulled this out of an APS sales circuit, not because it has a graded certificate, but because of the deep lake-like color. I've checked, and while there are a number of stamps of this period with a lake variety added, this is not one of them. The shade is very different from the usual carmine, which I've included for side by side comparison. I'd be interested to hear what others think of this.





This is the "lake" shade stamp.




Here's a 219D for comparison.




This is the normal carmine shade.
Send note to Staff
Edited by Stampman2002 - 01/27/2017 9:54 pm

Moderator
Learn More...
United States
10441 Posts
Posted 01/27/2017   9:10 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible to scan both stamps at time? It would be great if you could include a #219d in the scan too.
Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1308 Posts
Posted 01/27/2017   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Scott US Specialized catalogue does mention a "deep carmine" for this stamp. Perhaps this is what you have. I agree with Don, it would help to see the stamps side-by-side with a known lake variety in a single scan.
Added: Went to the Philatelic Foundation web site & looked at their certs for 620. The range of colors pretty much match your two stamps ... of course, like your stamps, each stamp has been scanned separately which makes color comparisons a bit difficult. They do have one "deep carmine" cert ... it doesn't look like your "lake". I would almost call it an "intense" or "bright" carmine. Several of the "normal" carmine 620s are similar to your stamps.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by JLLebbert - 01/27/2017 10:13 pm
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2900 Posts
Posted 01/27/2017   9:58 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
your "normal" carmine looks a bit light to me
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1565 Posts
Posted 01/27/2017   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm willing to believe in this, but I agree that all 3 stamps should be concurrently scanned side-by-side on the scanner. It's the only way to make a fair comparison. I agree the "carmine" stamp looks bright or light.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
New Member
Puerto Rico
1 Posts
Posted 01/28/2017   11:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mikebrinn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly lightly oxidized ink? Look for a bubbly surface under high magnification. I know it happens on some early British stamps in that color range, not sure about US.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
515 Posts
Posted 01/28/2017   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't look dark enough to be lake. Even side beside it isn't dark enough. Its more of a deep carmine on this end.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1189 Posts
Posted 01/28/2017   5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the side by side. Since some had commented the single was bright carmine, I added the block of nine for comparison.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2900 Posts
Posted 01/28/2017   9:47 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
definitely a difference, but I'll have to let others say if lake or deep carmine
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
515 Posts
Posted 01/28/2017   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A deep, rich, lively carmine but I'm sure others see better than I and will chime in.
Newby.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
1308 Posts
Posted 01/28/2017   10:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While it appears closer to the lake color of your 219D than to the carmine of the other 620s, I still think I detect a difference between the colors of the 219D and the 620 in question. It seems to me that there isn't quite enough blue in the 620 color. The CV for the carmine & deep carmine are the same, so the latter should not be rare, meaning your 620 could easily be deep carmine. But then my color sense has never been all that good. Judging from the certs I perused, if you were to have it expertized, I think it could come back as either carmine or deep carmine, with carmine actually being the more likely choice ... but probably not lake.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1414 Posts
Posted 01/29/2017   10:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look carefully at the fine lines in the design with a 10 or 15 power loupe. The image leaves the impression that the stamp is a bit Sulphurized affecting the solidly inked areas more than the fine lines. One test is to compare the color of the fine lines with the solid areas.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by cfrphoto - 01/29/2017 10:19 am
  Previous TopicReplies: 11 / Views: 1,568Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


Go to Top of Page
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2022 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2022 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.66 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05