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24c Bank Note. Stamp/Proof/Special Printing (Fake)

 
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Posted 01/30/2017   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rgstamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any analysis here is welcome.




this stamp above is for sale as special printing of 1873, Scott #175 dull purple in upcoming Siegel sale.

These are a trio from my collection:



1st: standard Scott 153 purple
2nd: 153p3 (I think)
3rd: either a special printing 175 or more likely 153p3 with perfs added. (paper is very white, not soft porous) (fake special printing vs real thing). You decide?
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Posted 01/30/2017   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The perfs on the right hand stamp are fake, so it almost certainly a proof.
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Posted 01/31/2017   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sure looks like a proof. The paper just doesn't look right for the issued stamp, and does not resemble the special printing.
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Posted 01/31/2017   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree 100 percent, I was just trying to demonstrate how proofs can be used to try to fool a collector into "special printing" by perforating them. Whoever did the poor perf job I think was trying to create a fake to resemble 175.
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Posted 01/31/2017   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ananthveerappan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't Siegel vet them upfront? I havent seen them buy this special printing story that easily !
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Posted 01/31/2017   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anan,

The top stamp is a real special printing. My trio was a comparison. Siegel hopefully would only auction authentic certified examples. However many collectors post stamps they think are SP... I was just posting an example of a fake, using a proof. By the way, I don't think the Siegel example above comes with a cert. you can imagine the perforations added to left and a little work on the right. Now it looks scissor cut. Magically a special printing. Honestly I don't believe this but without a cert, I wouldn't buy this stamp
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Posted 01/31/2017   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Siegel hopefully would only auction authentic certified examples.



We'd like to think so, but the lot descriptions for the group in this sale usually specify the date and type of certificate that accompanies. This one does not. Instead they mention that their census for the 24c SP is at about 100 examples and this one was sold by them in 1971. However, their search results don't include any mention of this item for sale 388. So, I pulled the catalog for sale 388 off the shelf and found lot 311 (realized $650), but the description mentions no certificate though several other lots mention one.

So it looks like they are expertizing this one themselves. A cautious buyer might want to put this lot on extension, even though they have a lot of experience with this stamp.
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Posted 01/31/2017   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Essay, all good points. Cool that you have a copy of that 1971 sale on your shelf.

I would just like to add that I wasn't alive when this stamp was previously auctioned.

lol
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