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Messenkopes Local On Piece With #11A. Fake?

 
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Posted 01/31/2017   9:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampcrow to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Unfortunately this is just a cut corner piece. Would someone have bothered to cobble together a forgery like this? If so, is that the culprits finger print?

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Posted 02/01/2017   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have no immediate opinion on the item in question, other than if its faked, its pretty well done.

I will say that the faker of the famous Consul Klep cover - strip of 3 Scott #12's left his fingerprint on the strip, so there is a precedent for what you say.
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Posted 02/01/2017   5:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Messenkopes local appears to be a genuine stamp. The local was used during the period of use for the 1851s. What makes you think it is fake?
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Posted 02/01/2017   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my Messenkopes local

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Posted 02/01/2017   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What makes you think it is fake?

Not so much thinking it's fake, but thinking it could be fake.

I have little experience with locals. I do have some Husseys and Allen Dispatch that I've tried to ID. It seems with locals, there's a lot of reprints and forgeries.

Now that I've spent some time looking at my messenkopes piece, I see the left edge is actually underneath the three cent stamp.
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Posted 02/01/2017   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Senatus Populus Que Romanus - Great cover!
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Posted 02/02/2017   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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with locals, there's a lot of reprints and forgeries


Stampcrow - yes, there are a lot reprints and forgeries of carrier and local stamps. The area is one of the more challenging in US Philately, but is also one of the most interesting. One of the things that can really help is building a reference collection of fakes and forgeries. After some study many of the fakes become obvious. Here is my page of Messenkopes fakes.

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SPQR, outstanding! Thanks


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The area is one of the more challenging in US Philately, but is also one of the most interesting.

I don't doubt that.
I'm going to stick with my Three Cent'rs. But hopefully I'll bump into some more Locals in the future.
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