Some Oddities From My Album

Hello, so here I am back again with some pictures of stamps I have found the last weeks while looking at my album. I show them all in one thread, let me know if I should open a new topic for each (or some) of them - but I thought it would be easier this way, and perhaps there is not much to say about the one or other stamp. I hope you have fun with these stamps!

1. printing issues of 2 Cents: Are these known (in French's book e.g., or a foreign entry) and something worth giving it a good place in the album? or nothing special?





2. printing on the back of the 1 dollar stamp - this is "offset", not set-off. So is this called a double impression or "printed on the back"?



3. is this the known double transfer named in the Scott?



4. is this a normal precancel? and is this a normal perforation at the top?



thanks for any comment. of course I don't expect anyone to go through all my points, just let me know to which of the stamps something comes into mind.

stamperix

Hi Stamperix. I believe your precancel (4) is just a misprint. The lines of the row above is shown. It certainly is collectible. The one dollar stamp has indeed set-off. The sheet was put on top of another sheet when still wet.


Peter

Hello again. The ten cent Franklin shows a crude reperforating job at the top. Not only are the perforations the wrong size and gauge, they are cut with a craft knife...three straight cuts for each hole.

None of the two cent stamps have the foreign entry.

Revcollector, what is a "foreign entry"?


Peter

thank you all.
I am no expert, but I remember the foreign entry being a double transfer of another plate of the 1 Cent stamp appearing in the 2 Cents, mainly the bottom letter. I saw some spots there, so I asked.

About the setoff: Here I found information that this kind of thing is not setoff, but "offset", so the plate or some other printing thing was not cleaned (enough) and the paper was put in again (the printing process) and that's why there is some "printing on the back". The setoff is never that detailed? And additionally there seems to be "real setoff" on the left?

Stamperix - I enjoyed your posts. I too look for interesting inking/printing errors like those you have shown. I am not sure about the perfs on the 10c stamp above. Those on the bottom and left look OK to me but the top and right are suspect- too uneven. I'm unsure where you see the double transfer on the 1c Mayflower.

Hello and thank you. The description for the Mayflower is that in the are I marked the curved line is thicker and the numbers a bit overinked, so I asked.

What about the 2 Cents with all this ink overall? It is not only some ink somebody painted there, but it seems that the whole stamp had a problem while printing? I can also show details photos which illustrate this.

Stamperix, offset is a way of printing. In order to keep these terms from cconfusion, we started calling the "print" on the back of the stamp "set off". If in doubl, please use the search function on this page!


Peter

hi Peter,

in fact I searched here and found the following information in another thread:

Source: http://stamphelp.com
OFFSET: (Print appearing on the gummed side of stamps). Imagine, with reference to the gravure diagram above, if there is no paper between the cylinders. The ink/image is then transferred to the impression cylinder. Next time paper passes through this is transferred from the impression cylinder onto the reverse side of the paper, in mirror image/reversed, gradually fading away with each revolution. THIS IS NOT SETOFF.
SETOFF: This is where the finished sheets coming off the printing press, are still wet. When stacked some of this wet ink smudges onto to reverse of the sheet above. Printers sometimes spray a fine white powder on to the sheets as they come off the press. This is to try and prevent this setoff happening. That's why some printing presses have the appearance of being snow covered. Gravure presses do not suffer with this problem very often, the solvents used make the ink dry very fast. Modern presses have UV/INFRA RED driers to help dry the ink faster, avoiding this problem.

It sounds very logical for me that these 2 things are different things, as I of course already saw a lot of stamps with setoff, but this one would be the first with offset (for me).

It helps to understand how plates were made. A single impression called a die would be created, then a transfer roll would take the impression from the die and would be used to create the plate positions. Transfer rolls usually had several different stamp designs on them. Sometimes, when the transfer roll was being used to create a plate, it would rock too far in one direction and put part of the design of another stamp on the plate being created. If it was not noticed, then that partial impression would show up as part of the design after that position was created. Those extra lines are called a foreign entry or foreign transfer. The most common examples of a foreign transfer is probably the 60 cent second issue, which occurred in 11 positions. It is also on the third issue as well, but the blue stamps show it better then the orange stamps.

hello again,

I guess I know all things about my stamps now, only except of the setoff and offset difference and the "bloody" one.

Especially the 2 Cents stamps: Did you see anything similar before? Could this be some ink although the color is different? Under microscope you can see clearly that the whole stamp is kind of damaged from the printing side.