Roosevelt Proofs Presentation Album Images?

Is there any place online that has the complete contents of the Roosevelt presentation album in original form? I've always been interested in these stamps and found a curiosity. The stamp generally sold as 42P2 looks more like a Scott #12 - type 1 - than a type 2 without the protrusions top and bottom. I'm curious to see how the early type 1s are dealt with in the album.

I've seen other oddities around this album and a lot of incorrectly identified stamps on the market from this album. I understand there are very few complete albums still in existence but hoping someone scanned in the pages at some point.

Thanks in advance.

Rick

A little intro.

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/researc...-albums.html

http://stampauctionnetwork.com/f/f801.cfm

http://stampauctionnetwork.com/y/y9132.cfm

risny, awesome topic,

redwoodrandy, I wanted to thank you for this and many other links
you have shared in past threads. I said to my Patty, randy has offered
more link support than anyone I have seen, other than Don.

Thanks for those. I've see all those before and have read all I could find on the production of the album. Still looking for pictures of the actual pages. I'm aware of a few known oddities - such as the 1847 stamps being made from modified plates that were used for the reprints. That is 1P2 and 2P2 were made from the same plates as 3P2 and 4P2 but the plates were apparently modified to make them look more like the originals. In general my understanding is they used the original plates whenever they were available. So for 42P2 you might guess they would have had access to the reprint plates but 42P2 clearly is not that. There is one of those stamps listed on ebay as 12P2. See the link below. It's those kinds of oddities I'm interesting in investigating.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12P2-SUPERB...190796743856

Some examples of the contents of the album.

http://www.jameslee.com/news70/16-1...uary2014.pdf

I was extremely fortunate in that some years ago I was handed a complete album and invited to enjoy the view. Amazing experience.

I'm going to put together whatever I find into a Google picture album. I'm keeping it to hi-res pictures, but a couple of them have quite bad colors in them. It's a start:

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...Q29nWjdJWXlR

risny: nice photos although as you say some of the colors are off. Looking forward very much to any other you can come up with. Unlike revcollector I am sure I will never see the actual album so this is as close as I will ever come to it. Going through the actual album must have been wonderful indeed.

I've been having some pretty good success - much better than I expected - mostly looking through Siegel Power Search. There are 29 images in the album linked above now. I replaced all the bad color pages. Missing the 1876 reproductions of the 1847 stamps, only found one of the 6 Cuba pages, only have a partial page of the Agricultural stamps and missing a bunch of other stuff. I believe there are supposed to be 40 pages altogether.

You can add this image which was missing when I checked. This page has been trimmed inside the outer framing, but I saw a couple of others like that.




Click the image to see it larger. 300DPI, 1000 pixels high

Done, thanks.

rlsny: great topic. I've bookmarked your "album" of proof pages. I noticed right away that the 10c 1861 "first" looks like the "last", then read some of the links in the topic to learn that there are several anomalies like that.

If you can, you may want to edit your second post in the topic to reflect that these are die proofs, not printed from plates.

Regarding 42P2 vs. 12P2, the numbering problem apparently started with the reprints. Some of the reprints of the 1851 issue were from new plates, with designs that closely resemble the original dies; others, including the 5 cent, were from existing plates. Scott numbered the reprints 40-47, which made sense since the reprints were a separate issue with different paper and perforations. It was either that or relegate all the reprints and special printings to the back of the book.

But india and card proofs were made from the plates that produced the reprints. Scott kept them together as 40P-47P. They listed the Roosevelt proofs the same way even though the 5c looks more like the a #12. The saving grace of this decision is that the catalog segregates these proofs from those made while the original stamps were being produced.

Keep adding to the "album". The collector in me wants to see it complete.

Great feedback. I'll leave my post just to leave the history, but correction accepted and background appreciated. Over time, I'd like to get a good comprehensive list of anomalies.

Regarding the difference between the stamps in the album shown as 1847 and those shown as 1876 there seems to be more than one story here. According the article - recounting the Roosevelt Proofs we have this story:

"...the 1847 stamp issues are represented by two sets of die proofs. Both sets are actually from the 1876 reprint dies, which would have been the only dies available to the Bureau of Engraving & Printing at the time of production in 1903. The 1847 proof was intentionally altered to make it look like an original. "

I found one example of the 1876 stamps and they look fuzzy. Thought it was just a bad scan, but then I read this attached to that auction:




Then I see this auction which claims "major transfer varieties" which seems to support the story in the letter above.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3P2-4P2-MAJ...170741880651

I'm looking at the images and don't see anything in the 1847 version that looks different from the reproduction stamps.

Finally, Scott doesn't list these two variations as different. THey only have 3P2 and 4P2. There is no 1P2 or 2P2 nor any mention of a transfer variety.

This is fun.

I misread the description on Siegel. There are only 34 pages in total. I have 31 images now but I'm not sure if the two groups of 3P2/4P2 we're on a single page or not.

So I'm missing only 3 or 4 pages. If anyone has any knowledge of which stamps are missing please let me know as that should help the search. I've see one provisional small die proof on gray card sold as from the Roosevelt album. So I guess that's one. I don't know how they handled issues between 1847 and 1861. Perhaps that is part of what is missing.

I hope people don't mind if I keep posting here. If it is getting too much tell me and I'll slow it down.

My latest "doh!" - clearly I'm missing the page for 40P2-47P2 which is the area I was first asking about. I found a poor image of that page and it says 1851 on it and also includes two other stamps I'm not very familiar with. Provisionals?