1c 1 Franklin 1857 Type VA Or Another Type?

What type does this appear to be? I can try to get a better image if needed

Matt

Here's a better image:

It is a bottom row F relief Scott #24, most likely a Type V. Plate 5 typically produced better impressions than what this stamp seems to exhibit. Both images are poor.

Here are scans of my page of non imprint assorted used 1 cent perforates.

I know the first two on the second row are scott 18.

Most of the others are 24. Two have interesting plate flaws.

Do I have any plate 5 stamps? The middle stamp at the bottom of the 2nd scan looks different to my eye.

Douglas,

I don't think that bottom one is plate 5, but better scan may help. Others may be plate 5. With better scan we can possibly plate it. Ornaments on side don't look complete enough and can't assess for side scratches due to low quality pic.

I agree with the 18s! Nice.

Forgery 39s are interesting. Any backstory there?

I have one of those #39 forgeries as well - from probably the same batch. I saw it in a dealer's stock one day, and I just couldn't stop laughing at it. So the dealer just gave it to me, since I was so entertained by it. I'm pretty sure I still have it, but I don't know who made these.

I might be mistaken but that "New York Dec 12 - 530PM" cancel looks like it may be out of period for the 1c stamp. As of August 1861, all pre 1861 issue stamps were demonetized due to the Civil War. Now, plenty of supply in the big Northern cities - especially New York, still existed, and got used (and accepted) for some time, so its not unusual to see them here and there, but its interesting.

Douglas, to me the best chance for a Plate 5 (Type Va) looks like the upper left stamp in the first scan. But as rgstamp said a c.oser look is needed.

"Douglas, to me the best chance for a Plate 5 (Type Va) looks like the upper left stamp in the first scan. But as rgstamp said a c.oser look is needed."

Here it is:

I don't think its a Va due to lack of ornament completion on right. Relief D, I think? I think there are some plate 5 stamps that are D relief that are type V, not Va. (But most are Va). Will take time to plate, if even possible.

Looks like an E relief to me. If it were a D relief it would have to be Type Va (no scratches).

Thanks! What plate could it be?

And what about that mark on Franklin's head? A flaw with the inking or the plate?

And what about this one here? Here is a closer scan of the middle bottom stamp, which to my eye looks different than most 24s.

Douglas, the middle stamp in the bottom row that you thought had a chance-- look right at the center line, just across from Franklin's nose. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like the dot may be there, right against the center line, just on the left side. If it is there, it's 10L8, a fairly easy to recognize position.

I'm trying to collect the entire A relief from all of the Type V/Va plates-- I'd love to see those other A reliefs with better images. Could you post a minimum of 1200 dpi? You can put them into photobucket, and then link the image to SCF, in any resolution.

I looked at the single stamp you posted-- if it's a "D" relief, and I can't tell, the only position that has a slash plate mark in PQ is 35R5, but I don't think it's a match. I've looked at all of the "C" reliefs in Neinken and can't find one there with that plate mark either. Also looked for the blur at the bottom of "U" in US, and couldn't find a match for C or D reliefs. Sorry...need a better image there, also.

Hope this is helpful, Ray

"I might be mistaken but that "New York Dec 12 - 530PM" cancel looks like it may be out of period for the 1c stamp. As of August 1861, all pre 1861 issue stamps were demonetized due to the Civil War...."

Here's a larger scan:



"Now, plenty of supply in the big Northern cities - especially New York, still existed, and got used (and accepted) for some time, so its not unusual to see them here and there, but its interesting."

Speaking of which, why are not there more Scott 18s and other plate 12 stamps out there among the unused pre civil war stamps, such as those left in southern post office stocks?

Ray.

Thanks for the info.

The scans are all 1200dpi or better, but alas I have to shrink them to meet the 200k limit.

Am not yet set up with photobucket, but I do need to do something as that as I would very much like to post better quality images to share with my fellow stamp collectors.

I do not know much about the plate 5 stamps, and only thought it had a chance because it looked a bit different.

Here is another scan, of my regular page 1 cent examples excluding Scott 24:

Douglas, the stamp with the center line and octagonal cancel is definitely 10L8...I can see the dot I was asking about. I'm about 99% sure.

The other stamp, Dudley suggested "E" Relief, and I wondered about that also, but just couldn't see it since the top is so short. But I found a *possible* match with 86L10. The PQ mark is there, and also the blur in the "O" of ONE. I really thought Plate 10 when I first saw it because of the shade and although it's heavily inked, the impression isn't sharp, which is typical of the Plate 10 stamps. Someone might want to take a look in Neinken and see if they agree....

Thanks, Ray