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Posted 04/28/2017   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

perhaps you remember another topic when I showed already the 5 Cents that someone had made "more beautiful" with scissors. Hard to believe but I again found two more such examples. I just show them for interest and in addition for following questions:
- what would be probably the Scott no. of the stamps in the middle and on the left?
- is there any value left after such scissor work? (even if the stamp was imperforate)
- the 2 Cents stamp: this is what you call a jumbo margin?

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Posted 04/28/2017   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based on your scan, I think the 3¢ would qualify for Jumbo margins even though somewhat off center. The problem is your scan is larger than stamp size so I can not be 100% certain.
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Posted 04/28/2017   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The top three are in my opinion worthless. And yes, the left and right margins would be jumbo margins.


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Posted 04/28/2017   12:23 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cutting off the edging of the stamp and retaining only the image was standard, and entirely understandable, practice for many early collectors - these were just pretty scraps of printed ephemera, after all.
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Posted 04/28/2017   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 3c green (#184): Large margins left and right or top and bottom do not necessarily command a premium as a true "Jumbo." That term is generally reserved for a stamp with large margins on all sides and VF or better centering. Large margins on the Bank Note issues were normal to a pane, since the perforators were set wider at the outside edges of the plate on all four sides. That allowed for some lateral movement in the placement of the sheet for perfing and still the design would not be cut by perfs most of the time.

As for the clipping of the 5c Jeffersons, early albums intended for children were cheaply made with small spaces. Even early albums for adults could be a bit tight. So clipping was common. But the curved clipping can also be seen on stamps which have been "liberated" from encasement in special holders intended to serve as coinage. Usually that also produced wrinkling, fading, staining, and tearing - none of which do I see in your examples. As to color, I don't do that from an online image, especially when it's on a colored background.
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Posted 04/28/2017   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all. That's interesting information about the early collectors. For me it's great to have these stamps, as they are old (and some rare) and it's nice to have the paper in the hand although there is something missing - the remaining paper is still "real".

Of course the 3 Cents has not a good centering, still I thought that the right margin is really huge compared to some "small" margins some so called "jumbos" have. I have not seen such a margin before. Sure, the quality of the stamp is not the best, but it's still ok for me, and I would call it a asymmetrical jumbo :).

About the 5 Cents stamps I didn't expect an easy and obvious Scott ID, but for the left one I don't even know which Scott numbers could it be - I don't find this design with these two curves at the sides in any book or catalogue?
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Posted 04/28/2017   3:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The left "stamp" is part of the obverse design cut from a piece of Postage Currency, PC1 or PC5 issued in 1862. The back should show part of the reverse design. The center stamp looks like a badly mutilated Scott 76 assuming no grill (embossed rectangle) is present. The stamp on the right is possibly a mutilated Scott 28 or 29, based on the perforations to the right and partial evidence of complete top and bottom projections. Careful examination by an expert would be required to determine if the projections were complete of not. If the projections are incomplete, the stamp would be a 30 or 30A. The shade in the scan could be red brown, but some scanners, cameras or smart phones do not render color accurately enough to be able to make a determination.
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Posted 04/29/2017   08:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much, Clark, for this good information. I didn't think that it's not a stamp :). I can do a scan of the back later, but in any case there is not much to see, only parts of a design, the other space is lost. So I really think that's it's possible that this piece of paper was indeed used as a stamp by some person and this wasn't recognized. So it's a funny selfmade stamp perhaps.
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Posted 04/29/2017   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Images of Scott PC5 5 cent postage currency:



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