Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read
Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

Scott 65 With Lateral Margins, Perfs, Color From The Adjoining Stamps. How Would I Grade This?

Previous Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 23 / Views: 3,072Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar Of The Community
United States
7615 Posts
Posted 07/10/2017   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The big problem with double perforations:
All of these issues were printed by various bank note companies. Over time, they were all eventually bought up by American Banknote Co. So eventually ABNCO found themselves with a lot of other bank note company archives which they did not need. This not only included proofs and essays, but perforating wheels and other metal as well, all of which they sold off as scrap (almost always to stamp dealers). Back in the 1890's double perf varieties were very popular, and there were certainly people ready and willing to help create a supply to fill the demand. This happened with revenues as well. So while there is no doubt that some genuine double perf examples exist, many are likely not.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
558 Posts
Posted 07/10/2017   5:48 pm  Show Profile Check rlmstamps2012's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey revcollector,

You spoke of how to check for pressure ridges to help in trying to prove that the perfs are genuine in this thread.

"Help with R84c strange corner perfs".

http://goscf.com/t/48120



Quote:
Yes, but they would have to be larger then this scan, at least twice as big.

And there is no real way to prove the "freak pers" are genuine. I know there has been a study of them made, and an article written, but unless pressure ridges are evident the perfs are not genuine.


There is some information on that thread as to how to check and what you should see.

Good luck
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
657 Posts
Posted 07/13/2017   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Over time, they were all eventually bought up by American Banknote Co. So eventually ABNCO found themselves with a lot of other bank note company archives which they did not need. This not only included proofs and essays, but perforating wheels and other metal as well, all of which they sold off as scrap (almost always to stamp dealers). Back in the 1890's double perf varieties were very popular, and there were certainly people ready and willing to help create a supply to fill the demand. This happened with revenues as well. So while there is no doubt that some genuine double perf examples exist, many are likely not.


Some things never change:

U.S stamp, #234 Columbian, double perf'd, FAKE

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201986084351?ul_noapp=true

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
92 Posts
Posted 07/13/2017   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mizar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems that my original question is being answered by members who seem to know the subject quite well. There's quite a lot to learn. Thanks, all!
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Canada
138 Posts
Posted 07/13/2017   11:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stuart MacNeil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just like in Baseball,they are errors. No need to grade them, they have been graded as an error by the perforator.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2673 Posts
Posted 07/14/2017   09:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
This not only included proofs and essays, but perforating wheels and other metal as well, all of which they sold off as scrap (almost always to stamp dealers). Back in the 1890's double perf varieties were very popular, and there were certainly people ready and willing to help create a supply to fill the demand.



Quote:
Just like in Baseball,they are errors. No need to grade them, they have been graded as an error by the perforator.


Well, not quite Stuart, Some of them are actually double perforated in the normal course of production. But their popularity increased their availability when the perforation equipment became available. Telling the true production errors from the later "post production" modified stamps would be probematic at best. Some are true errors, while others are manufactured errors.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
82 Posts
Posted 07/14/2017   12:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wbrob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revcollector - and others.
What is your opinion on revenues of modest value on documents, properly tied with ms or hs cancels and displaying extra rows or columns of perfs?
Certainly normal perfed stamps could have been neatly removed and had
bogus perfs added, then replaced.
I am not a revenue specialist but do appreciate and have kept several of the (what I believe to be genuine) extra-perfed stamps, if they have some kind of validity.
Thanks
Bill
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
657 Posts
Posted 07/20/2017   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Telling the true production errors from the later "post production" modified stamps would be probematic at best.


If the cancellation is across the extra perfs, one should be able to tell if the cancellation came before or after the perforations were applied.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 23 / Views: 3,072Next Topic  
Previous Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


Go to Top of Page
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2021 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2021 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.65 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05