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US Scott 220 Cap Over 2 Cents

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Posted 04/25/2011   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kosmet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also have what appears to be a right cap only.






What is your opinion?

I will create a 2400bpi image of the number 2 when I hook up my scanner again.
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Posted 04/25/2011   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add razersedge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is not a cap that is the same as the ink flaw one I was talking about it resembles a cap but not quite
And I can only say wow I have know idea of the value perhaps someone else on here will know of one
That was sold but I would say it might be worth something because I only know of one others ink flaw on the
Right 2 that resembles a cap
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Posted 04/25/2011   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add razersedge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the eBay ink on the previous page posted buy wt1, if you look in the pictures there is a pic of the ink flaw I was talking about with a cert saying it's not a cap because it is too far round the the side and not on the top like the others but it might be worth getting a cert anyway or at least finding out it's rarity
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Posted 04/25/2011   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BAHnOsceola to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, sorry for taking so long to respond. Thread was older, and didn't even know if anyone was reading it. I put the response there for sake of future reading. I didn't want anyone to think that the cap is rare, by any means.

Here is the story:
I generally buy out stores when the dealers are getting older or losing interest in philately. In Memphis, TN, the last remaining stamp store owner decided he wanted to do coins/bullion/other only, and totally get out of philately. He is (was, really) a collector, but the money is just not there anymore. The original owner (years deceased), Mr. Hill, was an avid collector and accumulated/assembled many advanced collections. This album is apparently was one of them.

This album has many "varieties" but you have to look for them. When I started inspecting the album, I wondered why so many 2c "without triangle" red where shown (found more, up to over 200 now) in an album with other varieties, like the overrun countries (reverse printing/doubling/marred reading - one Netherlands looks like "Matherlakos"). A common everyday 2c red. NONE were of the Lake color, which there is a separate page of. I went to the Scott specialized and saw the cap listing, which I knew about, but just didn't think someone would accumulate that many in one album.

Upon inspection, everyone has a cap of some kind - or repair - or overinking (to repair?) - or such. The vast majority has cap over left 2 only, but didn't check it much as I got bored. I didn't know there was this much interest. But I did see caps on both, printing flaws, etc. I mean there are over 200 of these puppies. If someone tries to convince me that $30 is right for caps on both, I am going to roll my eyes. All the stamps are used, btw.

I will re-examine and make copies of varieties. If someone else is a member of the USSS or APS (number before 175000), I will be glad to put the accumulation in the APS for examination.

Thanks for the responses. will repost again soon.

sorry for the long winded response.. not my general nature.
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Posted 11/06/2011   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just ignore me - I'm linking this older thread re US Scott#220 to a newer thread.

http://goscf.com/t/19981
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Posted 11/06/2011   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i have all three stamps the 220, single cap and two caps.
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Posted 11/08/2011   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add artlaunier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Its interesting that these threads can generate interest in items one hasn't looked at in a long time. Going through some covers I found a 220a on cover. The cover is a little dirty but the cap is plane enough.

Art



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Posted 07/11/2014   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just reviving an old thread with updated information. The controversial "cap on right" Scott 220 (technically, 220b, even though not listed as that in the Scott catalog anymore) is still up for sale on eBay. Instead of previously quoted $12.5K to $50K pricing, it's now offered at a whopping $95K!

Even if history proves it to be the only one in existence ... $95,000 seems well over the top in terms of value ... but at least they are offering it with free shipping! An interesting read nonetheless:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NYPF-Certif...em35d920d5da
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Posted 07/11/2014   2:49 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hot Dang!
Here are some beat up old 'cap' varieties including a right only copy that I have.







Guess I could pull a 'Coinwatcher' and throw it out on eBay for the low, low price of only $10,000!

But seriously, if this isn't simply an ink issue and is a plate flaw, why have not more surfaced?
Don
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Posted 07/11/2014   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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But seriously, if this isn't simply an ink issue and is a plate flaw, why have not more surfaced?


To quote directly from my 2013 Scott Specialized Catalog:


Quote:
The No. 220 with 'cap on right 2" variety is due to imperfect inking, not a plate defect.
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Posted 07/11/2014   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The seller offering the certified "cap on right two" variety at 95K is the same seller who offered it at 12.5K in 2011. The cert dates to May 2008, so maybe it's time to have it checked again. It would be curious to see if the PF would issue the cert in the same way as before.

The problem with all this is that the 2008 cert merely acknowledges that the right numeral "2" has a cap. It does not say that the cap is the result of a relief break as it is for the "left 2" and "both 2s" varieties. So by carrying on with the wild pricing, the seller is implying something that is not supported by the actual cert. Nonetheless, if the PF has not granted a cert to any other clear example of the right two inking skip, then the claim that this is the only certified example is still valid. Worth a few extra bucks, depending on what kind of collection one is building, but certainly not 12.5K, let alone 95K. But that's just my opinion.
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Posted 07/11/2014   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Never really ever check until this thread resurfaced. So I checked a few of mine and lo and behold, a cap over left 2 it appears.



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Posted 07/11/2014   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's surprising how easily those little devils can sneak up on you.

Here are a couple of fun ones. The first is a busted up rejoined pair of the "a" and "c" varieties side by side.




(click on the image for full size)





And this with the outline iron cross cancel is a 220a with some odd anomaly on the right 2 as well.

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Posted 07/27/2014   2:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my "cap on right two"

I know....its inking not plate related. But when your looking through a large envelope of these stamps an image like this catches you for a moment.

I was able to pull three cap on both twos from the group. So it was worth the time.
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Posted 07/27/2014   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Ebay listing has been pulled...
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