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Posted 03/19/2010   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add MrsPSP to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I'm not a collector but have an adhesive stamp on the back of a family photo from the 1860's in Illinois. I was trying to identify the stamp for dating the individual for confirming identification for my gr gr grandfather who lived in DeKalb Co, IL.

Online research indicated that Carter was awarded a contract for adhesive "bank check" stamps in 1866 which was identified as a Type I No.1. The Type I No.2 was apparently only issued for one month in 1867. I don't know if mine matches the No. 1 of the type or the No. 2 of the type as I don't see a difference with my amateur eye.

The issue I'm having is that the cancellation on the red Washington Type I No.something (1 or 2) US 2 Cent "Bank Check" adhesive stamp shows up as Nov 1865 with the "6" being faint but discernable and the "NOV" and "18" and "5" being boldly printed.

Does anyone know about these stamps, if that's the correct term for them? How could the cancellation be 1865 if they weren't issued until 1866? It's genuine, but I just would like to know more about it and the possible dating. Now I'm finding it almost as interesting as the photo. Thank you.
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Posted 03/19/2010   10:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you get a nice scan for inspection? There are many philatelic experts who would love to help you.
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Posted 03/19/2010   11:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MrsPSP to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a scan but don't know how to load it to the forum.

Thanks for responding so quickly. I appreciate the help.
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Posted 03/19/2010   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are describing a US Revenue stamp. There were several "Bank Check" stamps used around the time you are discussing. Revenue stamp's are my Specialized area of interest. If you can post a Scan or a clear picture I can probably narrow down the time frame for you. you can often date a picture by the props in the photo. They changed in popularity every few years.
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Posted 03/19/2010   11:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are directions on the left side of the screen. Under Tutorials
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Posted 03/19/2010   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MrsPSP to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the photo on the front, next post will be the stamp on the back.

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Posted 03/19/2010   11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MrsPSP to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp in question. Thank for checking it out.

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Posted 03/20/2010   12:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1st Issue US Revenue. Printed By Joseph Carpenter and Co., Phil., PA
1st Delivery to the US Govt. Sept. 29, 1862. Obsolete as of Sept. 30, 1867. Quantity printed was over 44 Million.

Now for the really bad news. I suspect that the stamp did not originate on the picture but was reused to avoid the payment of the tax. It was very rare for a Photographer. to use a hand stamp cancel at that time. The name in the circle would have to be Dowe & Co. or something similar. It looks like it starts with a "T". Also based on it's position the name wouldn't conform to the standard spacing of the time.

This May very well be your Gr-Gr-Grandfather. But, you can not prove it using the stamp.
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Posted 03/20/2010   12:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After studying the photo a little I would date it a little after the stamp's date, around 1870. Based on the clothes, Chair, Shoes and floor pattern.
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Posted 03/20/2010   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MrsPSP to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did find it curious that the cancellation did not appear to extend onto the photo card. Given the information you gave me, it is possible a family member just stuck the stamp on the back of the photo to save the stamp, perhaps for Civil War significance or to try to date the photo for the future generations.

And thank you for the information about the photo itself. It is very helpful. We do now know that this is Daniel BEEBE Jr (b. 18 Sep 1838, d. 5 Oct 1916) instead of his father Daniel BEEBE Sr (b. ?, d. Bet. Apr - 31 Dec 1845). That is a big help.

I appreciate your kindness and time spent. You are very generous with your knowledge and that's a gift to us all.
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Posted 01/01/2011   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MRmarco to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was Beebe the inventor of the Beebe check protector? Years ago I was looking at a check protector site and I remembered the name.
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