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Posted 02/09/2023   2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Bobby De La Rue

You think you have to be aware of the Classis forgeries and Belgian Pre 1940's high values. I tell you you schould watch out for the 1914-1918 Forgeries in the Marude and Albert the I, 90 % of the stamps is false.

Now you can go to Ebay and have a look at what they are sold for, I bet they have been sold for 20-50 times the value than the two you mention, you always need to know what type of stamp you buy, if the seller sells them as Genuine what would you think?

Well lets have a look. This stamp I show is typically sold for 3 to 60$ for the serie of 3, the thing is how many stamp collectors know the 3 stamps in this serie for most parts is false, if you find a Genuien I think it would be word investing in.


False stamp


Buy me as Genuine or ? What if think I sell it as a colour proof would you buy it ?



This stamp is MNH how much will you pay me for this one, not much I hope it is False if you know what to look for, go to ebay they are sold as Genuine I have for a fortune :-)

I could make it easy for you to see what to look for, but then again then I wont be able to sell this block of four :-)


How about a nice block of four? 10 C Known as a Dangerous forgerie you have to measure the highed of the stamp these are 0,2 mm shorter than the Genuine



Or 5 C stribe of 3 misperforatede or sold as Proofs, they are all false.



Remember you can always buy any of these stamp in any Auction house in the world and they will be sold as Genuine, Proofs or essay what ever name you can come up with, remember approximately 90 % is false.

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Posted 02/09/2023   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Viking123
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Posted 02/09/2023   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If any of you ever is in doubt when buying an objekt ask for a Certificate, small face values can be false, the Belgian stamp I showed is producede during WW I, the original printing stones was destroyed by the printers but they forgot to destroy some of the stamps they have dismissed as bad copies and these stamps was producede in huge amounts.
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Posted 02/11/2023   10:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, I believe Viking123 to be wrong on those. More than 99% are false, not the 90% mentioned. It is quite a challenge to put together a collection of all six of the Alberts (two types for each value) genuine. The Merode monument issue is somewhat easier, yet still a task not to be done quickly.
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Posted 02/12/2023   05:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Billsey

well I did not want to overdue it as I do not know exactly how many of the Genuin stamps in each serie was printed that is why I estimate 90%

I have a lot of Albert the 1 Red cross, all false, I see them all the time sold at Online Auctions, Auction houses around the world and sold by privates as the real deal, if you know what to look for the false stamps is easy to spot.

It is posieble to have a genuin stamp with a false postal mark, A false stamp with false Postal mark ec.

I show you another nice block of four Imperforated. This is a Dangerous Forgerie, sold as a colour proof :-)





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Posted 02/12/2023   10:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what your trying to determine is it real or fake ,just put up a scan here on this board . Here is the real stamp on top of the forgery


Notice the three pearls in the lower right corner are egg shaped while on the fake they are round

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Posted 02/12/2023   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Look at the bottom of the "Q" on the top in Belgium is another clue
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Posted 02/12/2023   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@floortrader

Easy Forgeries type I 5 centimes

If there is 3 Pearls in the lower right corner instead of 3.

If there is a white line over the 3 pearls

If the Q is Closede

Thick shiny glue
White Paper
Highed 22 mm

Bright Red Cross

The first 5 letters in BELGIque is closer to the pearls

A thin white line over the Epaulette

White line parallel with the pearls over the cross

A thin white line following the shin under the left eye.

There is 3 types of the Easy forgeries, they are all different.

2 Dangerous types of forgeries

Which brings me to what you belive is the Genuiene stamp, what is the highed of the stamp Type I you have? Is it from the first or the second sheet of stamps? To me the cross looks bright red but of course that could be the scan.

Dangerous Types can be very hard to determine from the genuine they do have 3 pearls so you will not be able to use that as guideline and it is so close to the genuine stamp that you have to measure the highed of the stamp.

Thick shiny gum with brush stribes
White Paper
Bright Red Cross

Heiht 22.1mm to 22,3mm

The exsistens of genuien stamps with a fals redcross is also producede but they all seems to exist on non perforated stamps the cross will be Bright red


















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Posted 02/14/2023   10:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There used to be a real good site for these and the Merodes, but I believe he took the Albert section down at some point, but the others are still there.
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Posted 02/15/2023   12:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@billsey

Thank you for the link, verry informative, I knew soemthing about the small Albert I but not near enough, Knowledge is gold.

I do not know if this is ok but look at this link all you want to reconize the false Merode 1914 issue

https://stampforgeries.blogspot.com...-merode.html



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