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USA 2009 Liberty Bell Forever Id?

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Posted 03/19/2013   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice page of Liberty Bell varieties, MrEos.

But remember, the USPS in their wisdom (or stupidity, depending on how you view it) has another variety of the Liberty Bell envelope (Scott U667a) which means yet another space is needed for another envelope variety.
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Edited by wt1 - 03/19/2013 5:07 pm
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Posted 03/19/2013   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MrEos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have a Specialized catalog. Are there just two envelope varieties? If so, I might re-arrange my page to fit another. If there's a bunch (different dates, for example), I think I'll leave well enough alone (or start a different page if I ever accumulate them).

P.S. What is the difference between U667 and U667a?
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Posted 03/19/2013   7:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I qualify this response based on the footnote that is indicated in my 2011 Scott Specialized Catalog. I don't know if any subsequent changes have been made:


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U667a (As U667, typographed, issued August 18, 2009)—No. U667a was printed by National Envelope. The size of black dots on No. U667a are much larger than on No. U667, which is most noticeable on the bell fastenings. This also makes the appearance of the bell on No. U667a far grainier than No. U667. The text on the bell, particularly the Roman numeral date, is indistinct and difficult to read even under magnification on No. U667a, but sharper and easier to read on No. U667. The horizontal wood grain lines are distinct on the bell stock on No. U667, but No. U667a has no fine detail of the grain lines.


Whether or not there are any other later varieties, I do not know, however, I would point out that the latest issue of USA Philatelic suggests that there were 06/2012 "variety reprints" of the Liberty Bell #10 envelope in WAG and both regular and window #10 envelopes in PSA varieties. I am not certain if there is any discernable difference in the actual indicia on these reprints or not.

Hopefuly, a SCF postal stationery specialist may be able to chime in and answer that question.
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Posted 03/19/2013   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no postal stationery specialist, but here is what Scott has to say on the matter, from the 2013 Specialized:


Looks like a few more varieties are out there.

Cheers, Robert
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Posted 11/08/2014   01:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just wanted to put it somewhere (too lazy to start a new thread). Here are two of the Scott 4127d (large 2008) and one of the Scott 4127f (small 2008). What I find interesting is that the color of the gold Forever is noticeably less gold in the middle stamp. Almost gray-tan color.



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Posted 11/08/2014   04:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add acanalizo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Think it hard to tell differences in the Liberty Bell stamps, try collecting the USPS Liberty Bell stamped envelopes. I have 53 or so varieties and there may be more out there. See my post at:
http://goscf.com/t/36120&whichpage=...%2Cenvelopes
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Edited by acanalizo - 11/08/2014 04:24 am
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Posted 01/27/2018   10:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gierhead to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you MrEos for posting a picture of your album page. This was very helpful to me. Along with the sandiegophilateliclibrary.org link.

I finally sorted through my 1 pound sack of used liberty bells and found 12 of the 13 Scott numbered postage stamps I needed. I didn't count the stamps that are in 1 pound, but there's alot. I ONLY found four 4437. And 37 of 4127d. Of those 37, I couldn't find any that were the 4127f variety ( smaller "2008" ). Is this the most challenging Liberty Bell to find? Since I couldn't locate a single one in my many hundreds I'm guessing that it is. What has been your experience? I'd like to know.

Dale
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Posted 01/27/2018   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few 4127f's, both mint and used. At the time they were current, the 4127f didn't seem to be that hard to find. What I don't have is a 4437; that might be the hardest to find.

Robert
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Posted 01/27/2018   8:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hans van Gils created this checklist

The complete file is at: http://www.usca.nl/usa-canada-2/usa...tive-issues/

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Posted 02/04/2018   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gierhead to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found another stash of on-paper Liberty Bell stamps. This small batch was initially sorted by date and Forever size years ago. Not Scott number checked. In adding them to my prior 1 pound of on-paper extras, I double checked for a 4127f ( small 2008 ) which I still need. Found 41 more 4127d ( larger 2008 ) which none turned out to be 4127f upon closer inspection.

My questions is....are there certain Scott numbers passed out in certain areas more than others? I live near Topeka, Kansas. Could it be that the 4127f variation was never sold locally? And even weirder I never got one in the normal mail stream. Also, I didn't find any more 4437s. Only found 4 of them in that initial 1 pound on-paper collection.

Dale
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Posted 02/04/2018   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sleepy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very complicated, but if you go with the Scott major numbers you'll have it done.
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Posted 02/04/2018   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gierhead to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes sleepy. That would be an easy way out of this dilemna. Sadly, I enjoy seeking out the variations of the basic Scott numbers. Always looking for new ones that pop up. 3785a, 4737A, and 3792d-3801d ( need 8 of the 10 ) are newer numbers that are challenging me right now.
Dale
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Posted 02/04/2018   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gierhead: I too collect minor modern U.S. Scott numbers. I gather though that you collect them used ... which is more challenging than collecting them mint as I do. But if you happen to include an occasional mint stamp in your search, I do have a few duplicates. For example, I have extras of 3785a and 4737A. If interested, contact me via e-mail. Incidentally, I live in Topeka.
... John ...
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Posted 02/06/2018   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gierhead to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John,
Thanks for your post and offer. Sadly, I tried to email you through this website and was denied due to my low post-count number. I love this website. I troll it often and glean much information from it. I'm just not too "chatty" hence my low number. Maybe someday I'll get to that magical 50 number. Thanks again. Dale
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Edited by Gierhead - 02/07/2018 5:47 pm
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Posted 02/06/2018   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Walkman82 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What? No gutter pairs?
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