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Posted 04/12/2012   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Selva to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Some webpages in the net have stated the year of issue as 1895,some as 1902 and some as 1912. Dont know which is which.can someone help me identify and provide some details of this stamp.Thanks.

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Posted 04/12/2012   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could be Denmark #28 1875-79 perf 14x13.5 or #44 1895-1901 perf 13 watermark 112 or #44d 1902-04 watermark 113. Check those perfs and watermarks.
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Posted 04/13/2012   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Selva

As jamesw said, there are a number of possibilities, but we can narrow it down with a little inspection.

Here's a copy of a 8o slate & carmine....



This is a 1875-79 Scott 28 8o slate & carmine with normal frame.

This is a perf 14 X 13 1/2. You will note it has 13 perforation holes horizontally, as does your copy.

This could be your stamp- Catalogue Value 50 cents.

But there's more.

Your stamp should have this watermark....


Wmk 112-Crown (Step away from the computer monitor a bit to see it well)

There are several other watermarks (wmk 111, wmk 113) that Denmark used during the 19th century, and they all have a slightly different shaped crown. Anyway, your watermark crown should resemble the image above.

But there is more.

The stamps can be found with either normal frames and inverted frames.

Here is a 8o slate & carmine with inverted frame....


1875-79 Scott 28c 8o slate & carmine with inverted frame
Catalogue Value 50 cents

Notice the curly-cue arabesque in the upper left portion of the stamp that directs itself toward the "D" of "Danmark"?

Think of it has an upsidedown tree or plant with various branches: pay attention to wear the branches come off the downward vertical main stem.

Let's compare to the normal frame stamp.


Normal frame versus inverted frame

Look at the upper left side of each stamp...

In the normal frame, a right branch comes off before a left branch comes off. In the inverted frame, the branches come off the downward vertical main stem at the same place on either side of the stem.

Do you see the difference?

Now look at your stamp...which frame do you have?

You should now have a good idea what to look for with these Denmark Numeral stamps.

Finally,just for fun, here is another pic of a 8o slate & carmine...



1895-01 Scott 44a 8o slate & carmine
Perforation 13, watermark 112- Crown, Inverted Frame

In summary, there are three variables to consider with these stamps: Perforation, Watermark, and Normal/Inverted frame.

You can tell, I really like these issues.
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Sorry, was posted twice.

I deleted the contents of this one.
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Posted 04/13/2012   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks jkjblue for the detailed explanation and can tell by the way you present it, it must be one of your favourites. Did notice the crown watermark resembling yours and am sure after comparing with yours it is an inverted one. Thanks mate, you have been very helpfull and thanks to jamesw for the directions to look for the issue.
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Posted 04/13/2012   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
it is an inverted one


I don't have a great view of your stamp in the area, but double-check!

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Posted 04/13/2012   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ramanandn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jkblue... good to find another Denmark collector. Am in the process of mounting/hinging mine on Steiner pages.

Do you have any knowledge about how to correctly identify the 1880s small numeral and the large one? Example below.



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Posted 04/13/2012   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ram

Although I collect classical era worldwide, I do like Denmark - espcially when it gets complicated.

As you know, there were two stamps (the 5o green and 20o blue)that were issued with either small or large corner Numerals in 1882 and 1884-88 respectively.


The 1884-88 Scott 38 5o green with large numerals

This copy should be the same stamp you posted.


1884-88 SCott 40 20o blue with large numerals

The 20o blue also is found with small numerals. (The 10o carmine is a special case, which we will get to later )

So what does the 20o "small numeral" stamp look like?


1882 Scott 37 20o with small numerals

Here is the stamp I have in my collection.

Let's take a closer look...


Large numeral vs small numeral


And a closer look...



The other characteristics are....


Large Numeral stamp (left) has a white border around the crown


and....



The bottom oval touches rthe frame in the larger Numeral variety.

Why is this important?

Because the 10o carmine had small numerals found in a otherwise characteristically large numeral stamp in 1888: CV $500+!

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Posted 04/13/2012   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ramanandn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a bunch jkblue.. will try to sort the stamps I have today & let you know how it went.

Cheers
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Posted 04/13/2012   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Selva

You might want to try looking for information in this site?

It has a lot of good info in it. http://www.frimindeks.dk/

Hope it helps

Chimo

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Posted 04/13/2012   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that site does have good information, including specifics on 5! Frame types- both normal and inverted.

Also, I neglected to mention one of the most obvious differences between the small and large numeral stamps, and that is that "Danmark" is a thicker script with the small numerals. :-)
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Posted 04/13/2012   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am new in to this hobby guys. It is my dad's neglected collection I am sorting out when and if I have time. But beleive me guys I am learning so much from you all. Am enjoying the idea of being a stamp collector as soon as I got in to this forum. You guys are great. Thanks a million.
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Posted 04/14/2012   11:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any time Selva

We enjoy helping out wherever we can. Hope the stamp bug bite you <G>.

All the best

Chimo

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Posted 09/24/2013   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicalStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Selva, the bi-coloured 8 ore stamp have been printed 121 times. How specialized do you want to be? :-)
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I am out of my depth here.
I have it as Sc#9 1863
Wmk 112 (I am having trouble reading the correct Wmk)
Wavy lines in Spandrels.

Should be rouletted?
Opinions please.



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Posted 10/06/2016   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Probable 1862 Scott 7b 4s Imperforate with wmk 112 "Crown". CV $9

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