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Purchased France C1. Counterfeit?

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Posted 12/01/2018   9:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another clue is that the lettering is not all on the same line; there are letters above and below others. That is almost never true on official handstamp or printed overprints from technologically developed countries.
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Posted 12/01/2018   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And for another thing or two, the ink is quite a bit brighter blue in color and is over the cancellation as can be seen by the e in poste.

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Posted 12/01/2018   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One more thing: the wing tip on the right is quite a bit different on the originally posted stamp. It is very rounded and doe not have the sharp straightedge underneath.
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Posted 12/01/2018   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My version of this stamp is posted in the "Let's see your most recently purchased stamps" thread. http://goscf.com/t/33828&whichpage=166#559201 This one is expertised (on the back), so I hope it serves as a good example.

Here is the closeup of the overprint from the 2010 Stanley Gibbons France catalogue.

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Posted 12/01/2018   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime, nice used stamp with some sort of aviation cancel? You can also clearly see the cancellation over the overprint. As for backstamped expertised, I am no expert and am quite skeptic as they can be made up too! I wonder where that black ink spot on back came from?

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Posted 12/02/2018   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Then the stamps shown by floortrader are forgeries ? after what is written in
the http://www.richnoddystamps.co.uk/fo...ris-airmail/ link.Tail wheel above the "E"...

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I Don't think the position of the tail wheel between "T" & "E" is criteria for genuine stamp
identification.These in a Roumet auction (cover).


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In some cases the tail wheel may be found just before the "T".
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Edited by perf12 - 12/02/2018 11:24 am
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Posted 12/02/2018   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After reading and looking at the Rich Noddy site, all of these look like they may be forgeries.
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Posted 12/02/2018   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another example.Cert. Raybaudi.(8 vertical lines in the fuselage)


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Posted 12/02/2018   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A great example of an issue that should not be purchased without a certificate.
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Posted 12/02/2018   7:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For #C1, the basic stamp is in a characteristic dull orange. This thread shows the differences in lighting and scanning we find online. The Richnoddy image is the color that should be expected. For what it's worth, #246, the Le Havre Exhibition overprint, also forged, is on yet another different shade.

The used pair shown appears genuine but perhaps more importantly is signed by Roger Calves. The blowup below is a forgery.

Don't depend on catalog pictures to determine genuineness. As we can see, they are not sharp enough to make a proper comparison. Secondly, while (for example) Scott has replaced and upgraded almost all their images which once included drawings and forgeries, they have replaced some of them again with reprints and forgeries.
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