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Posted 11/08/2017   11:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aurora to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much! Trying to study and organize United States covers. Cannot find online an info about DIE identification - exact measurements. Would you help?
I can make more scans and provide with all the measurements in a minute. Thank you!

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Posted 11/08/2017   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know how much help I can be. I use the same stamped envelope identifier you do.
Exact die measurements? Not sure I follow, perhaps if you explained a bit what you are looking for?
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Posted 11/08/2017   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aurora to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I made a conclusion that DIEs are numbered in accordance to the difference in their exact measurements.
As for example: design U91 shared by Scott #s U411 (die 8)

Am I wrong? Why those DIEs are numbered?
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Posted 11/08/2017   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aurora to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Is it U71?
Do the heavy cancellations make it worthless?
Thank you.


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Posted 11/08/2017   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Is it U71?
Do the heavy cancellations make it worthless?


Bust points between second and third notches of inner oval.. check
"G" of "POSTAGE" has a bar.. check
ear indicated by one heavy line .. ??
one vertical line at corner of mouth..check I think it is U71

The value .. that's a nice example of an ellipse cancel, so it's representive of the type. But the back shows some damage. There are lots of nice cancels on cut squares.
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Posted 11/08/2017   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aurora to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
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Posted 11/09/2017   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you are a flyspecker, you may have noticed a couple attributes of this particular cut square. See the three arrows below. These three letters are filled in. The teeth in the upper left show signs of re-entry. Flyspecking this issue can be a rewarding, yet low cost, specialty. Just the thing to scratch that flyspecking itch. There are dozens of die varieties for this 2 cent green.

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Posted 11/10/2017   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aurora to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you!
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Posted 11/11/2017   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately the Scott catalog editors identify the pictures of the various die types with a you prefix, same as they identify the actual envelopes. The number under the picture is sequential and not related to the size of the die. Die numbers for a particular type were generally assigned based on the sequence of discovery and/or issue.

Better identification information is available in the UPSS specialty catalogs, one for the 19th century and one for the 20th/21st century. http://upss.org
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Posted 01/12/2019   05:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Fizban48 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well to the original poster of the thread. there is a paper sample book.
https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Gibb..._top?ie=UTF8
they show up now and then and are a valuable resource....

L E Warda UPSS APS and MSS
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