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Australian KGV Stamps - A Bit Of Help Required

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Posted 09/17/2012   08:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is the first time I've come over to the stamp side but I've been hanging around coin community for quite a while.

I went to an auction this morning to buy some coins and banknotes but got outbid and decided to buy a few stamps which came up soon after.

Ive never dabbled in stamps before so really have little idea what im doing. I would like to get into KGV stamps as KGV issues are what my coin collection focuses around.

To start with I've uploaded some pictures of the stamps I got today. If there is anything interesting in there let me know and I can take a better picture of that individual stamp. Likewise if theres nothing but rubbish let me know, I wont be offended. These cost me $15 so if they are throw aways im not fussed. Have to start somewhere.

What I am really after is one piece of advice from everyone that is essential knowledge for a new stamp collector.

Thanks!








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Posted 09/17/2012   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add klange to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Read, read, read, never stop learning about the hobby. You will NEVER be able to know too much about stamps.


And WELCOME to the forum (re: KGV stamps, sorry, I'm not your guy. But someone will be along shortly who can assist.)
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Posted 09/17/2012   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are Australian King George "sideface".
Nothing I can see immediately that excites, $15 would appear over the top
but no stamps are "throwaways", if you insist, throw them to me.
I see a roller cancel, postmarks of SEMAPHORE south australia
and CARNARVON western australia.
Top right is roller cancel LAUNCESTON Tasmania.

The pin puncture OS is of interest, as is the HS perfin
and the blue pmk ink on the three halfpenny.
Don't reecall seeing that before.
The bottom LHS stamp seems to have a nick in the frame
that may be interesting.

The KG5 sideface is a lifelong study, but the first thing you need to do
with any sideface is to identify Perforation, and (comb or line perf)
and the watermark.
Then you go from there to identify minute flaws.

Prior to that, it would be just guesswork.

PS : Postmarks fall into 2 main categories
"Hand Cancelled" and "Machine cancelled"
A hand canceller, as the name implies is a device that
is struck by hand to cancel the fresh stamp and send the cover on its way, In the old days, a visit to the GPO was met with the
machine gun banging of the clerks as they ancelled the stamps, and the noise echoed around the hall.

These are generally CDS's (Circular date stamps) and come in a vast array that collectors study, rare Post Offices can demand high prices. Machine cancels are not so valuable, but people collect
the "slogans" that adjoin the machine impression CDS.

Welcome to stamp collecting.

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Edited by rod222 - 09/17/2012 4:28 pm
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Posted 09/17/2012   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help. Looks like I have a loooong way to learn. For now i'll trawl through some older posts here and see what I can turn up.
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Posted 09/17/2012   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your'e welcome Browne.

Here is an example I just plucked from the shoebox.

1. First look = 3d blue KG5
notches on each corner indicate a comb perforation.

2.Out with the perf guage shows 13.5 x 12.5
(if you intend to study these you keep 1 stamp handy
marked as perf 13.5 x 12.5 and use it as a template
when Identifying other KG5 stamps perfs)

3. Dunk in wmk fluid = wmk crown CA


By doing the above, I have isolated 1 stamp from a possible
5 issues

I now know it is a 3d blue Second Ash printing plate
Printing Plate Die 2
(because the "3" has strong thick font to the design, die 1 has thin design)

It can now be
A Blue
B pale blue
C Dull Blue
D deep Blue

Lets suggest dull blue

then it can have
retouched O of postage
retouched GE of postage
diagonal flaw through STA of postage
Hollow "S"

If you happened to notice your wmk here was inverted
then your $1 stamp now is worth $200

You also know that id opverprinted "OS"
it is a forgery, because this stamp never was optd.

Lots of fun with just 1 stamp


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Edited by rod222 - 09/17/2012 6:46 pm
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Posted 09/17/2012   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at the Postmark
it is identified as "GPO Perth" (Hammer number 4 of 4)
Time on LHS
This is a type CivT supplied by Morton or Horton
scarcity = common
Earliest known usage 8th February 1937

So this hammer was about 69 days old when the clerk
plonked it down on the cover.
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Posted 09/17/2012   7:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BTW Well done you for a good thread Title
Brilliant for an SCF Newbie :)

Good thread titles make for a good reference library.

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Posted 09/17/2012   7:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aussie Al to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Enworb

The two penny reds on the 12th row can be plated with specialist books (which I don't have)
left stamp has a compartment line on right side,right stamp has a nick lower right frame (just above corner).

Aust KGVs will keep you busy for years.

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Posted 09/17/2012   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
left stamp has a compartment line on right side


well spotted!
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Posted 09/17/2012   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also one of the very best issues to do what we call fly-specking. There are many little nuances with these beauties which increase the value with the tiniest little flaws. This one with the gash in the neck variety increases the value.....so I'm told...

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Posted 09/17/2012   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

BTW Well done you for a good thread Title
Brilliant for an SCF Newbie :)

Good thread titles make for a good reference library.


Thanks. I've got over 2500 posts on the coin side so know a bit about how the forum works. If SCF is like CCF in the comradery and helpfulness then i'm sure i'm in the right place.

I should've mentioned I am a COMPLETE NEWBIE to stamps
Could you perhaps give a brief explanation to the terms 'nick', 'perforation' (more specifically the difference between comb and line) and where the coa and crown is located that you showed as an example for your blue 3d.

I suppose i'm going to need a reference book as well. Can someone recommend one that is on the cheaper side? maybe up to $50 at the most. Coins are still my main love and will get most of my money but its looking like some will have to be diverted to stamps.
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Posted 09/17/2012   9:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add new12collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer: also, the "A" in the halfpenny at the bottom is filled in.
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Posted 09/17/2012   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aussie Al to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer
Your stamp is plated at 12/L58 $20 used.
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Posted 09/17/2012   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Al, nice to know.
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Posted 09/17/2012   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

"newbie" is a relative reference,
all stamp collecting with respect to the individual
lies at the "newbie" cutting edge,
If we are not learning something new, then collecting is over
for the most part.
Your postion is learning something, that we all learnt as well,
just at a different time :)

Perfs
Perforations
"comb" perforation are punctures by a die that has a set forme
therefore the corner bits always look the same (notched)
"Line" perforations are single line punctures
and when all sides of the stamp are done, the intersecting
lines of the perforations creat differing corner bits (random)

Here is scan of example of both

(I'll carry on later, I've just been invited out to lunch :)


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Posted 09/17/2012   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
(I'll carry on later, I've just been invited out to lunch :)


Rod, I'll be a bit late, so go ahead and order for me...I'll have the lobster and cracked crab.

In the meantime, enworb, I recommend that you look for a used Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth and British Empire, if you want a good, basic guide with lots of useful information. They ran through 1952 for years, and a few years ago stretched out to 1970.

If you were in the U.S., I'd say pick up a used Scott Classic 1840-1940, but that might be pricier Down Under. And since your interests tend toward KGV, anyway, the SG Commonwealth might be the better choice.

SG also printed a KGV-specific catalogue two years ago, but the price hasn't dropped much (here), so an older SG Commonwealth would be a better deal.

My 2d.

C.

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