Centennial Coil Precancel

Lithograving

The David G. Jones pages which you have posted were written decades ago. In the 1970s, his booklet was a good stab at understanding the Centennial issue. It is out of date and no longer a reliable source of information.

Alani should purchase the Robin Harris book, referenced in an earlier post, and read the article written by Mr. Beaudet.

We have an obligation as posters to this group to provide readers with correct information. The pages posted from the Jones book are of historical interest only.

Get the Harris book on the Centennial issue. The work has been done.

If you go to the Canadian Postal Archives website and look at the information available for the 6 cent orange centennial stamp, you will see a long list of production items designated as "P2" engraved die proofs. Unfortunately digital images of the P2 proofs have not been made available.

Mr. Beaudet went to the Archives and saw these proofs and wrote the following:

The Archives has an extensive set of progressive die proofs of the 6c value, all pulled from a single die with the characters "P2" engraved at the top of the design.
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The P2 die proofs are remarkable because of their origin. They were produced by BABN, not CBN! Contrary to what was previously thought, it appears that BABN rather than CBN prepared the original die for the 6C design. CBN probably borrowed the die from BABN to produce coil plates, not the other way around.

Mr. Beaudet had access to the proofs in the Archives. Mr. Jones and other authors did not. In my opinion of all the authors who have tackled this subject, I am inclined to accept Mr. Beaudet's analysis.

Alani has been posting examples of cylinder flaws on the 7c transportation sheet stamp. This is covered in great detail in the Harris book at pages 229 to 241, based on the work of Michael Painter and Mr. Beaudet. What is particularly useful is that the locations of the cylinder varieties are provided.

If you have an interest in the Centennials, the Harris book is essential. All other references are obsolete.

Alani

You disagree with Mr. Beaudet's analysis of the 6 cent orange die and posted information dealing with the 6 cent black stamp to prove your point. I don't understand your point.

http://www.adminware.ca/checklist/c...ntennial.htm

The Adminware website does not provide any information about the 6 cent orange stamp.

Please read the Harris book.

lorddenning, thanks for all your effort in trying to straighten
all this out.

When was this Mr. Beaudet permitted access to this information
and why didn't anyone research this before ?
Like the Centennials first came out 46 years ago same time the Leafs last won the Stanley cup.


Mr. Beaudet didn't appear to be certain though when he wrote:

I've been going back to the Postal Archives website a number of years
now but I never realized that some of the data had images.
Every time I clicked on one of the production icons I would get
text but no image.

DESCRIPTION: 1 postage stamp , die proof , steel engraving , black . ;12.6 x 12.6 cm
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Text on the Item: Approved 19th November 1969 FG Flatters. [initials within company handstamp dated Nov 5 1969].
Note(s): Hinged on card Die II according to existing inventory.

Lithograving

Have fun looking at the essays and die proofs. Unfortunately it is unlikely that the Archives will be providing any more images.

As to why this information has only come to light recently ( in the last 15 years) Mr. Beaudet says that Centennial proof material had been transferred from Canada Post to the National Archives of Canada. Researchers did not have access to this material until it went to the Archives. And of course, few people actually go through the material in the Archives.

According to Library and Archives Canada Yves Baril became the
head of CBN`s engraving department in 1967. In 1968 he engraved
the 6 cent centennial die.
Therefore CBN must have made the original die.

"I don`t understand your point"
What difference does it make what colour. The same plates were
used for the orange and black stamps.
Mr. Harris says that the die for the CBN coil stamp is
the original. That`s my point.

By the way, lorddenning, my name is alanl not alani.