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How Much Would You Expect To Pay For A "Kiloware Goody Bag"?

 
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Posted 01/24/2013   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add JackBrown to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was just wondering, what a reasonable price would be, for a lot that is described as a "100g Kiloware Goody Bag".

The lot is said to contain 100 grams of world wide kiloware, that contains mostly modern stamps that are both on and off paper, used and mint.

The lot is said to be 95% stamps from the last 5 years, 4% from the last 15 years, and 1% or less from the last 50 years.

The lot is said to be 45% on single layer paper, cut close to the stamp. 45% used off paper, 8% MNH stamps, 1.5% MNH complete sets, 0.5% rare-ish MNH stamps and sets.

The vendor claims not only is the kiloware truly unpicked, it is also sorted to make sure there are no duplicates and few damaged stamps, and also intentionally stuffed with goodies such as MNH stamps and sets, with the idea of making it fun and exciting for collectors.

Thanks.
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Posted 01/25/2013   12:39 am  Show Profile Check KGV Collector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On paper 100gms of stamps = 450 stamps

Off paper 100gms of stamps = 1,500 stamps


Stamps would cost 2c to 5c each as described.
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Posted 01/25/2013   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JackBrown to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 01/25/2013   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kind of a mixed message if truly unsorted then its hard to say its been gone through to ensure few duplicates and extra goodies. If 2c per stamp is fair I'll have about 5000 or more WW very soon .
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Posted 01/27/2013   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JackBrown to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@nitrolures Good point, I can see how that would be confusing.

The reason I asked this question, is because I am trying to figure out how to best sell kiloware, as I have recently came in to a supply of it.

I basically plan to cut the kiloware close to the stamp, then soak about half of it and remove it from paper. I then plan to mix it all up, and pick out a nice selection that is free of duplicates. Try to include sets when I can, and then add in some MNH of different values, from sheets purchase on eBay.

The idea is to make up some kind of goody bag, that you can buy fairly cheap, and have it contain a good mix, with a chance of treasure in it, to try and make it interesting to buyers.

Would that in general be a good idea? if so, how could I word it so that I don't seem to be self-contradicting.
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Posted 01/28/2013   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"95% stamps from the last 5 years"... in my view that means 95% is worth very, very, very little.
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Posted 01/28/2013   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CollGStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
two points:
-What you describe is not in fact Kiloware in the direct meaning of the word, it is rather a selection, or just 'lot';
-I sometimes buy kiloware from differnet dealers (of course it is never unpicked, yet some is less filtered than other), and I've got to tell you, it usually costs around 15-25 up to 35 US per kilo on paper, though seldom close clipped. It has to be something very special to pay as much as you want.
Let me add. Close clipped does not always mean the best, as some cancels can often be more valuable than the stamps (we are talking of modern).
If I were you, I'd save lots of time by NOT soaking anything, thus risking to damage/ruin the stamps (time is money) which allows you to sell for less and get quicker returns. Also leaving larger spaces around good cancels let alone commemorative cachets will make the stamps more appealing to people outside the beginners. Full sets, once again is not a must, but variety is a great asset, yet the greatest is the quality, which, I understand, you are determined to achieve.
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Posted 01/29/2013   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JackBrown to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@scotzm Is that a view that is shared by many collectors? would it be worth my while to let them all age another 5 years or so while I add to them?

@CollGStamps Thanks for the advice, yes what I am basically trying to create, is something that will be appealing. Not just to raise the value of it, but to actually make it fun and fair for the buyers. I was basically thinking of stamps, in terms of trading cards, where you could get specials or just regulars, or maybe one not worth much at all.

I will keep researching some more before I do anything, see what is best. It is a shame I can't just call them all covers and auction them like that, data protection act and all that.

Thanks again all.
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Posted 01/30/2013   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Modern stamps are "obliterated" whilst most collectors I know would prefer Fine Used cancellations at least...especially so with pictorial issues. Definitives collectors might be a little more forgiving.
A heavy cancellation/obliteration will still look the same in another five years...age won't improve it
I have thousands of unsorted (except for basic separation of commems and defins etc) stamps from the last five years or so that are not worth working on but am not willing to throw out yet.
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Posted 01/30/2013   2:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CollGStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TO JackBrown
Time will hardly make cancels more interesting, unless the PO/settlement, etc. happens to have vainished later or something as improbable. Yet they can be desirable by those collecting them at any moment.

TO scotzm
You probably mean silent cancels (wavy or sprays), yet it is not quit so, I have got loads of good ones from around different continents. I'll show some with additional slogans or adds.
Here are a couple of Swiss

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Edited by CollGStamps - 01/30/2013 2:19 pm
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Posted 01/30/2013   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CollGStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are

a couple of American
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Posted 01/30/2013   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CollGStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
now come German

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Posted 01/30/2013   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CollGStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Finally slightly different British (I have got round ones too, but with less te

xt)
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Posted 01/30/2013   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add new12collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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@scotzm Is that a view that is shared by many collectors? would it be worth my while to let them all age another 5 years or so while I add to them?


I don't know... Most recent commemorative stamps sell for alot more than most 50 year old commemoratives.
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Posted 01/31/2013   04:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Most recent commemorative stamps sell for alot more than most 50 year old commemoratives.

Weeda Stamps has a frequently repeated listing of recent Canadian commemoratives that shows up on their Bidboard. They're sold in lots of either 2000 or 3000 stamps, and they generally receive over 10 cents per stamp as a final selling price. I suppose there are roughly 1500 stamps in a pound, so $150 per pound is a pretty healthy price. Of course, the same volume of definitives won't bring that much, but it shows how strong the market can be for recent stamp issues in bulk.

Ryan
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Posted 01/31/2013   04:57 am  Show Profile Check KGV Collector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would have a heart attack if I had to pay over $12.50 per 1kg or2.2lbs of close cut kiloware direct from a charity and that would be recent letter rate stamps.

As soon as you start buying 95% commemorates kiloware someone sorted them and surprise, surprise the harder to get stamps are always damaged.



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