Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read
Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

Somali Coast 'varieties'

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 10 / Views: 1,601Next Topic  
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
5774 Posts
Posted 07/20/2013   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Scott notes that various 'varieties' from the 1902 and 1903 issues of Somali Coast, imperfs, inverts, transposed colors, originated out of Paris, and many were from fraudulent printings. Anyone have a good resource for the full stories?

Here is an imperf example:

Send note to Staff

Valued Member
Canada
482 Posts
Posted 06/22/2019   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I ran across 2 of these inverts while transferring Somali Coast collection. Presuming the inverts are from what Maury calls "tirages clandestins" (illegal printings) in Paris.

First row is 1902 issue, shows Sc #41 normal and then invert, also #45
Second row is 1903 issue (black centres), show normal Sc #61, inverted #62

I don't have any background on it, but below is what Maury says on differences between those ones and legit. If anyone does have more detail, would love to hear it. Didn't see anything mentioned at stampforgeries.com beyond a reference to an article by the French & Colonies Philatelic Society journal from 1943 (which I don't have obv.).



Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
2596 Posts
Posted 06/23/2019   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Canada
482 Posts
Posted 06/23/2019   1:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's excellent thank you, so already was murky in 1905 when that was written. Love the biting commentary from the journal editor in that article.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
Learn More...
Australia
29340 Posts
Posted 04/07/2020   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
In their own pathetic way, Scott Catalogue spreads this area all over the place.


Our late friend Brian, on SCF
http://goscf.com/t/37357#337318 br /

Why do Scott place these under "Somali Coast" rather than France?
Protectorate?

Any members have an idea on these NVI's (Non Value Indicated) ?
I have placed a rough estimate of the Scott numbers.
Maybe Proofs?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
2596 Posts
Posted 04/07/2020   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "0" stamps are from the color trial color proof serie.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
France, Metropolitan
2596 Posts
Posted 04/07/2020   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "0" stamps are from the trial color proof serie.There are at least 11 different.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by perf12 - 04/07/2020 5:22 pm
Bedrock Of The Community
Learn More...
Australia
29340 Posts
Posted 04/07/2020   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Perf 12
Michael Rogers Auctions (Unknown Date)
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1427 Posts
Posted 04/07/2020   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The French catalogs also split the stamps up based on Pre- and Post-independence. I agree it's quite annoying that catalogs are inconsistent in this regard. Upper Volta is all listed under "Burkina Faso" but clearly should not be. Yet Gold Coast and Ghana are split apart as are British Guiana and Guyana. There are many examples.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
5 Posts
Posted 04/08/2020   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampdoc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dumb beginner question - why are these being called proofs? I thought a proof was a test printing of a completed and accepted design - with presumably the correct denomination. I thought these would be essays - a proposed design, but often differing in color or some other design element from the eventual final product.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Bedrock Of The Community
Learn More...
Australia
29340 Posts
Posted 04/08/2020   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Askphil:

Proof:
a trial printing, known as a strike, taken from a new printing plate for inspection purposes; this can be used to inspect for defects, or to see which ink color looks best for that particular stamp.

Essay:
1: a trial design for a proposed postage stamp.
2: rejected and unused stamp design.


Quote:
with presumably the correct denomination.


Bear in mind, there may be 3 "plates" involved here,
1.Vignette
2.Frame
3.Currency Value tablet.

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by rod222 - 04/08/2020 11:00 pm
  Previous TopicReplies: 10 / Views: 1,601Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


Go to Top of Page
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2020 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2020 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.25 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05