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Fiume 10 Filler Machine Made Overprint On Hungarian Stamps,

 
 
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Posted 08/17/2013   03:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rafi2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It is a rare machine overprint specimen in catalogs Sassone and some other catalogs is written that is made of 50 pieces. But this is not true, most likely by some of my research was issued between 500 and 1000 pieces. The Italian Sassone catalog are being conducted under 8a.

Mandatory certification is required because there are many fakes on eBay 90% of this stamp is fake.

Fiume is a beautiful rare collectable area for the collection, but unfortunately there are a lot of counterfeits and even cheap stamps need to check.



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Posted 08/19/2013   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SueStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not a very experienced collector, so I don't know much of this topic. What are "50 pieces"?

I've always wondered and wanted to own fakes, but I guess I am not supposed to say that, as "wanting" fakes would encourage others to MAKE more fakes? Does anyone have any to show? Do the fakes look just like the real stamps and are they hard to detect?

Thank you,
SueStamps
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Posted 08/19/2013   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rafi2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This means that stamps made #8203;#8203;only 50 copies.It is very rare!

For each area there is a special literature that explains to some extent the difference between originals and forgeries. There are times that experienced philatelists write false certificates as forgeries were very well made#8203;#8203;.
Making forgery is criminal act the same as the forgey money.

On eBay 90% better overprint of Fiume are fakes and seller want 200-1000 US dollar for that.

sorry for my not good english!
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Posted 08/19/2013   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Do the fakes look just like the real stamps and are they hard to detect?


I don`t know. But I was warned too that this area is a minefield. And I can`t even tell the difference bw. machine and handstamped overprints.





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Posted 08/19/2013   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rafi2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You have 6 different type of handtamped and 2 type machine overprint. For recomande book Stamps of Fiume, author Ivan Martinaš, book ia also on Enghlish. Welll described forgey!

I have big collection of Fiume all with certificate and also thousend forgery :(
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Posted 01/21/2018   10:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting subject.Now are we talking about the fake overprint or forgery of the stamp?
Because for the stamp, is easy; watermark.I have seen one fake up to now, made in Romania.No watermark and the eagle on the background small and completely different.If you can provide me with the exact title and the publisher of your book here mentioned, I will try to find next summer as I'm from Romania my self and I stop to Budapest.
Thank you.And if any interest, I have one 10 Filler with wmk 210 RARE on eBay for sale: 132472950964.
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Note: this thread was bumped from several years ago.
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Posted 01/21/2018   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with collecting Fiume is very few collectors and dealers have a good source of reference material . I hope after I finish with Spanish Civil War material that I start on Fiume . I already picked up two collections on them and hope to get all the reference material needed and then sort it out the best I can to what is fake . On Fiume you can discount all the signed stuff because a lot of fake stuff is marked on the back with fake back stamping .
I purchase a few lots off eBay but I bought everything with the price factored as fakes . I done stuff many years ago and made some pages on stuff now I want to go back and check it all with reference material .
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Posted 09/17/2018   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just thought I would post a recent example in this thread. Most likely a forgery, due to the heavy inking.

See http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...-overprints/

Anyway, it was inexpensive.
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Posted 06/17/2019   2:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Came across this one and was happy to find a forum discussion on the topic. This one was found today in a H.E. Harris & Co glassine from who knows when... Surely pre internet.





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Posted 06/17/2019   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The above 2f stamp does not appear to be genuine. Serifs are generally blunt all around. Tops of "F" and "M" look wrong.
See also:
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...-overprints/

The 40f above it is a forgery.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 06/17/2019 3:24 pm
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Posted 06/21/2019   06:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another dubious example




There are far more fakes out there than genuine...
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Posted 06/22/2019   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with Fiume forgeries is that there are over 20 different types of this overprint forgery ,showing one or two still doesn't elimate it as not a forgery .
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Posted 06/22/2019   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader

I agree with you that these are forgeries. Just so happen to be the only two I have come across in my collection. Both examples appear to be bogus and from what I've read most examples in the market are fakes. I wouldn't touch one of these without a cert.
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Posted 06/23/2019   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I read somewhere (can't recall now) that 80-90% of the overprints around are fake. I assume that the large majority of mine are bogus. A project for the future perhaps, to go through and try to figure that out.
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