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Posted 01/21/2014   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This would purport to be a pair of Scott 13, 1m blue. They more or less match another single that I have, but that doesn't leave me feeling any better about these, or that one.




I had a bookmark for a site that had some i.d. features for these, but I cannot find it. Anyone? Anything?



[Rethymno, Rethymnon]
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Posted 01/31/2014   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to bump my own post, but does anyone have any thoughts?
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Posted 02/04/2014   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Prahanoaki to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice pair of stamps! I have never seen it before.
I have found this link so far:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0...%D0%B8%D1%82

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Posted 02/04/2014   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Google Translate does pretty well with that page. Thanks.
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Posted 02/14/2014   9:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, one last bump. Any further input?
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Posted 02/15/2014   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I've just seen this post. Nice stamps.

This is a genuine pair of the one metallik blue.
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Posted 02/15/2014   07:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I collect Russian POs in Crete and have seen a lot of them and first of all this pair look genuine.

Some details...

The two stamps are different as you would expect when they are handstamped.

They show the pencil rulings used to guide the printer in the original stamps.

The break in the inner frame at the top is in the right place and is the right size.

The spacing and shapes of the letters look good.

Usually the "O" of Rethymno is much less complete but that's the nature of handstamping.

The purple control mark and the blue-green RETHYMNO cancellation look they way they should.

I think that's enough for now!

Please let me know if you are looking for more information and I'll be happy to try and help.

I recommend Rienk Feenstra's "Crete" handbook (2nd edition) which I use as my main reference and I've accumulated a lot of both original and forged stamps over the years.
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Posted 02/15/2014   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, nigelc, that is super information.

The pair came with this single:



Do you happen to know the story of the control mark? Does it have something to do with a Russian battleship?
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Posted 02/16/2014   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

The control mark was applied in two colours, either blue or purple.

It has the Russian imperial two-headed eagle with the words, "Expeditionary Force on the Island of Crete". You can see most of the word "Expeditionary" on your single stamp and the word for island ("Ostrov" looking like "OCTPOB") on the right-hand stamp in the pair.

I'm not aware of the control mark having a warship connection but the occupation arose out of the blockade of Crete by the great powers in 1897/98 and the occupation forces were supported by naval units.

I have a postcard showing the British, French, Italian and Russian admirals together in Crete.

The straight line RETHYMNON cancellation is by far the commonest one on this issue.
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Posted 02/16/2014   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again. That adds great information.
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Posted 02/16/2014   7:37 pm  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A great pair Cjd! At first I thought the control mark was the cancel until I read nigel's comment.
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Posted 03/25/2015   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DCStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Cjd --

I just noticed this thread. Actually the whole history of these stamps is very interesting. Russia is only one of 4 countries which Occupied Crete during this period.

In a nutshell, Crete was part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries, but in 1896 a rebellion, supported by Greece, erupted on the island. Greek troops landed on Crete and a full scale war broke out across the region, known as the Greco-Ottoman War of 1897

The "Great Powers" (Britain, Russia, France, Italy, Germany and Austria-Hungary) in order to stabilize the situation, imposed a blockade on Crete in 1897 and, following Ottoman approval, established control of the Island.

In April, 1898, Germany and Austria withdrew their ships, due to their interest in maintaining relationships with the Ottoman Empire, leaving the four remaining powers to negotiate a settlement.

An agreement was reached that Crete would be given autonomous status within the Ottoman Empire, but would be administered by Prince George of Greece, the second son of King George I, as High Commissioner. The Great Powers would continue to retain forces on the island to maintain order.

The occupying forces divided Crete into four zones, in which the respective power was to guarantee the status quo. The Russians controlled Rethymnon, the British controlled Heraklion, the Italians controlled Chania, and the French controlled Lasithi.

Russia issued postage stamps for its district of Rethymno in 1899, and the postal service operated only for a few months, from May to July.

A first set issued was a series of four stamps, hand-stamped, with two designs which contained the double headed eagle symbol of the Russian Empire. Your stamp is one of these.

Here is my Scott #11



Shortly thereafter, regularly printed stamps were issued using a Poseidon's trident design These issues came out in three different values, on 7 different colors. The stamps included a violet or blue hand-stamped control mark of a doubled headed eagle (although they are also known without the mark).

A third set was issued, similar to the trident design, but included two stars in the frame around the trident. They were issued in the same denominations, and were printed in blue, rose, green and violet.

Here is a Scott #40 (with the stars in the oval)



I find that the denominations are rather obscure, 1 metallik, 2 metallik and 1 grosion. As far as I can tell they are based on weights of silver.

You can read much more about the history and the stamps of Russia and the other occupying powers that issued stamps at my DCStamps site. http://www.dcstamps.com/?p=2996

Hope this helps -- Michael



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Posted 03/25/2015   11:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my latest addition, a 2M with stars:



I assume bad things about this one.
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Posted 03/26/2015   02:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicalStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 'classic' forgeries of the Trident issues are easy to tell from their genuine counterparts.

The top leaf to the right of the 'N' has ribs on the genuine, but none on the forgeries.

I have collected some images here of both genuine and forgeries for comparison:

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...inistration/

Hope it helps
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Posted 03/26/2015   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ClassicalStamps, based on your images, I would say that Cjd's 2M with stars is genuine. Correct? (By the way, this is a very interesting thread.)
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Posted 03/26/2015   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I probably should have rescanned for better clarity, but here is an enlargement from my original scan, before it was resized for posting the first time:


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