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Some US Precancel Oddities

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Posted 03/06/2014   12:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Partime to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just a newbie in this area, but I had a big bin of stamps, and had a lot of extra time to sort. I'll post them as I find them. Please comment. Thanks.

US 812 with seemingly (2) different Oakland, California precancels? (Or is one a regular cancel?)

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Posted 03/06/2014   12:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both are precancels. The "MW SEP 52..." precancel is known as a dated precancel used by some large volume mailers -- in this case, MW = Montgomery Ward.
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Posted 03/06/2014   12:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So two on top of each other is not uncommon? I found one more, somewhere, with the same Montgomery Ward's dated cancel, but no others in about 500. Thanks for the info.
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Posted 03/06/2014   12:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't specialize in precancels, so I can't tell you how often it happens. Somebody like Warrehouse or others will need to chime in.
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In 1938 the USPO decided that all precancels of 6 cents and up had to have a month/date of use indication. In this, case Montgomery Ward [a major catalog retailer] probably had reams of double line electro 7 center's left over even in 1952. They used an integral dated device to comply. These are collectable but not very scarce.
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Hello Chasa. Thanks for the clarification. I just found another set of the 30c variety, where I see all different combinations:

A double-line variety with the MW extra date marking:



A different style with the same MW extra date marking:



And a combination of the two precancels, with a slightly different MW extra date marking. Note how the double-line precancel is continuous, while the second, lighter precancel changes position on the second stamp. Interesting.

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How about some help with these two. The first one appears to be Alaska, but I can't quite see the city, and I don't see Any Alaska on this other thread

http://goscf.com/t/5808




The second is Iowa, but also can't tell the city. Thanks in advance.

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Posted 03/07/2014   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The orange Franklin is Ketchikan, Alaska.
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Posted 03/07/2014   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My best guess for the 11 Hayes is Osage, Iowa.
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Posted 03/07/2014   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help khj. In this one, the "L" in "Los" appears much higher than other stamps I have with the similar typestyle. (Maybe just an illusion due to the thick inking, though.)



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Two different Los Angeles George Washington stamps and precancels. The cut on the right stamp made me look twice, but it is a Scott 1283B.

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Posted 03/07/2014   12:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are these two precancels? (I think not, but just checking with the group.)

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On both Oakland stamps shown above with the double precancel, the original is a doulble line electro type 243, then handstamped with an Oakland L-11. Though not scarce it is less common to see a stamp with 2 different types on it. Multiples are most often the same type reapplied 2-4 times, a few even more!
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Posted 03/07/2014   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Big-L in Los Angeles is a fairly common variety. It must occur on a few positions of each electro plate. Here are some on 1931 postage dues. Normal at top row, error on bottom.

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Posted 03/07/2014   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Parttime: not precancels
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Most of these appear to be Local Precancels but there are a couple that appear to be Bureau Precancels.
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