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Posted 02/21/2019   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Belgique Spoorwegen.
Mutilated Stationery
Collectors are advised to leave stamps on piece.
Old Railroad cancels / Markings increase collector value of stamps.

Note: Printing Plate Border Line on top 2 stamps (Never seen before)

Q160 1923 PP13 3f GENTBRUGGE No4-NOORD



Q169 1923 PP13 20f BRUXELLES R DE LA CHAPELLE-BRUSSEL KAP ELLESTRANT.

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1937 Emile Puttemans in Wavre, sent a parcel to Braine L'alleud
23 Km 6.90 franc.

Not aware of the relevance of the large "82" on reverse, possibly receipt book number.



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Any relation to the famous Belgian runner?
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Any relation to the famous Belgian runner?


Geoff, I saw that, Puttemans appears to be a common family name in Belgium. Your guess ia as good as mine.
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Ah, it just appears highly exotic to us Poms!
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No, no....You are not a Pom, you are English.

A pom, is an Englishman in Australia (an immigrant)
(Short stays also qualify, eg the English cricket team, whom we love to spank)
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THIELEN (TIELEN) Line 29 FTT
Sc#Q165 1923 7f

Possibly Roux to Tielen, (110Km) 11.5 Kg 7 franc ?

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Hi Rod

I'm curious to know why you think from Roux to Thielen? I have a few complete sheets and they appear to have a destination's receiving stamp away from the stamp(s) stuck on the docket, so I would have thought it was the other way round.

Without giving it much thought, I have always assumed that the adhesives were stamped by the receiving office to show that the correct money had been paid or was due - I imagine companies probably had accounts as the charges were not insignificant, so the docket could also serve as an invoice. But you know what they say about assuming!

I'll scan one of the dockets I have later to show you what I mean

Cheers, Crispin
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I'm curious to know why you think from Roux to Thielen? I have a few complete sheets and they appear to have a destination's receiving stamp away from the stamp(s) stuck on the docket, so I would have thought it was the other way round.


Hi Crispin,
I think you're right
I saw Roux at the top, and did my own "assuming"
I'd very much like to see an entire ticket, if you have one.

Thanks for the correction.
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Hi Rod, here are a couple of samples. Sorry for the delay, I found the process a bit tricky - unfamiliarity with the technique not a problem with the process. And some of the cropping is because I tried to save time by squeezing them onto the scanner rather than doing them individually





I have quite a few of these - I can upload some more here or I can send them as PM if you feel there would be no general interest but would like to see them
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Thanks Crispin,
take a while to peruse your scans, there are different dockets through the years.
I like the "Fragile Glass" sticker, I don't think I have that one.
I thought I was cool, having the torn part sheets.
Great to see the real dockets in entirety.

Post those that you may find interesting, I have a few hundred, and was faced with the same quandry.



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The form documenting the movement from Brussels C1D (whatever that is) to Veurne is interesting for several reasons:

1. What is Brussels C1D?

2. The cancellations applied in Brussels appear to be postage-type cancels. Are they, or are they a type typically applied to out-going parcels?

3. Apparently, the Q365 was 7 cents short of the required parcel post rate, and the two regular issue postage stamps were applied. Is this common?

4. The Scott catalog says railway stamps with a postal cancellation are worth more than those with a parcel post/railway CXL. So, given this example, if Q365 were soaked off this ticket, how would one tell if the stamp were used in postage usage or parcel post?

Tony

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1,2,3 not within my knowledge.
4, No way at all to tell, other than an intimate knowledge of cancelling hammers, perhaps the design, font, alpha numeric symbols, would give a hint to the Belgian Specialists.
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2. The cancellations applied in Brussels appear to be postage-type cancels. Are they, or are they a type typically applied to out-going parcels?


I'm sure I read somewhere that it was possible to despatch parcels from Post Offices as well as Railway Stations, then presumably you'd get the standard CDS for that post office. I cannot remember where I saw this but I think it was a Belgian collector explaining how the parcel service worked

Maybe if that were the case it also explains why the ordinary stamps were applied - could it be that only certain values of the parcel post stamps were carried by that office or maybe they'd run out?
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crispinhj is right.

Dispatch from normal post offices with railway stamps was allowed. If the place had no railway station

Brussels always had and still has severall railway stations.

This still leaves a question over the use of a "standard Brussels postmark"

Concerning packages in general: If a package was 5 kg or more, it could only be posted by rail.

I wil try to find out some more information.

but that has to wait untill tomorrow, its is getting late over here.

Johan.
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