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Posted 02/14/2015   05:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LarryBruce to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
How do these look? How would I know if Fakes or Real? Can we know here or would I have to get expertise?

Ha after I loaded all this I noticed first stamp has white boarder, is it supposed to? I think it is supposed to have a colored boarder, don't quote me tho, I have little to no idea...Prob fake...?







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Posted 02/14/2015   05:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like the cancellations on them and these do have reproductions and some of which are quite collectable. I don't know enough about these to be of further help. I don't think the 5 denomination has a white border either?


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The catalog says:

For the prepayment of postage on bulk shipments of newspapers and periodicals. From 1875 on, the stamps was affixed to pages of receipt books, sometimes canceled and retained by the post office. Discontinued on July 1, 1898.
Virtually all used stamps of Nos. PR1-PR4 are canceled by blue brush strokes. All are rare. Most used stamps of Nos. PR9-PR32, PR57-PR79 and PR81-PR89 are pen canceled (or uncanceled).
Handstamp cancellations on any of these issues are rare and sell for much more than catalog values which are for pen-canceled examples. Used values are for pen-canceled examples.
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Posted 02/14/2015   06:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I figured to good to be true, they want $349.95 for them, catalog is what 6k... I have been browsing revenues/tax stamps might buy some to make wall display. I also saw brush cancels should be blue as said in catalog. Ah think I will stick to the dollar 99 cent ones for now, as often on eBay the good stuff faked...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-DIFF-EARL...em58be962740

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Posted 02/14/2015   3:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's impossible to tell from these scans, you would need large clear scans of the bottom labels and oblique scans to see if they are embossed.
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Posted 02/14/2015   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are for sale over there if one wants to try to get more scans, I am finished and would beg off just looking at the first one and it's border contrary to what is described in the catalog.
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Posted 02/15/2015   03:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a warning/"heads-up" - If you have reproductions and/or fakes in your collection then it will throw serious doubt to the authenticity of the rest of your collection in the unlikely event something should happen to you or if you have to sell it (God forbid!). I've seen it first hand.
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Posted 02/15/2015   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rumb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First one is a PR4. I would be leary that these are fake cancels. what are the odds of getting 3 denominations with the same weird cancel? The stamps look legit.

http://home.comcast.net/~pepperclan/e61census.htm
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Posted 02/23/2015   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ecmorgan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would not want to say without examining the actual stamps, but they look genuine enough based on scans.

The early newspaper/periodicals are worth FAR LESS unused than used and that really concerns me regarding the cancels. That said, there is something in my brain that is trying to rattle around regarding these cancels, but I can't seem to load it up...if it comes to me, I'll shout.
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Posted 02/24/2015   06:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add srailkb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamps could be genuine, although I doubt it. Every time I see large format Newspapers with fake cancels (these are near-100%-sure fake cancels IMO), the stamps themselves almost always turn out to be forgeries too. Some of those are quite deceptive and mimic the appearance & color of the genuine issues (some are even embossed.) A high-resolution scan would help.
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Posted 11/27/2018   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UnicornHall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am a newspaper stamp specialist. If you are still looking for an answer, these are positively fake, the stamps as well as the postmarks. They are good ones and made circa 1880s (so they are genuinely old). PR1 had blue border, but the plate was later modified to create a PR4 which has a white border. PR4s were usually faked.
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