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Need Advice On 1945 Austrian Anti-Nazi Cover.

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Posted 08/21/2015   1:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Khedive to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Purchased this post card sized manila card with two different stamps, and two different cancels. UR has date "14.VI.45" and "???N 62" - LL "ABGEGANGEN 1. MAI. 45" I assume this is fake, but want it expertised for educational purpose. Who would be most authoritative source, German, or Austrian philatelic society? Thanks.

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Posted 08/21/2015   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It may not necessarily be 'fake'. Looking at the stamps and dates and the translation for Abgegangen, it may be have been made to celebrate the German Army being pushed out of Austria.
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Posted 08/21/2015   2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't that a "Futsches Reich" propaganda forgery?

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Posted 08/21/2015   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Khedive to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This web page makes me think the cover is made up after 1945.... http://www.psywarrior.com/Cornflakes2.html Still, I'd like to get an expert certificate to use in a history class, thus my question stands.
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a totally worthless fake , bogus cover.

Going by the poor scan the only thing genuine is the 8 Rpfg
stamp which is listed in Scott Austria 392 mint 25c.

Even the word ABGEGANGEN doesn't make sense .


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it may be have been made to celebrate the German Army being pushed out of Austria.


Austrians were more afraid of the Russians at this point
raping and killing them than worry about German Army
soldiers.

Austrians composed at least 10% of the German armed forces between 1938 - 1945 so why would they celebrate their own people
"pushed out".

This cover is totally phony and I just can't see anyone buying this
garbage.

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Posted 08/21/2015   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


This is the Futsches Reich stamp. These stamps were literally dropped from planes as a part of Operation Cornflake. There have been many pretenders fabricated since then.
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hieronymus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The abgegangen is a reference to Hitler who had, shall we say, departed for a warmer climate. That doesn't make it genuine but it does give a meaning to the way the fake was, ahem, executed.
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can't pass up a pun, can you? (Wink.)
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So Abgegangen is a city in Brazil?
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The abgegangen is a reference to Hitler who had, shall we say, departed for a warmer climate


Actually Hitler killed himself on April 30,1945 so the
May 1, 1945 postmark has no relevance to that fact.

BTW the First of May is a holiday in many European countries,
equivalent to Canadian and American labour day.
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Posted 08/21/2015   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So Abgegangen is a city in Brazil?


You must have seen the movie The Boys from Brazil

Great acting by Gregory Peck, Laurence Olivier and James Mason.
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Posted 08/21/2015   6:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Khedive, I would say this is a contrivance/bogus item. Just enjoy it for what it is. Many people collect such things. The post-war overprint stamp looks genuine, as has been mentioned, but everything else looks really "fishy' and without a serious attempt to appear genuine.
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Posted 08/21/2015   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm afraid I disagree about the post-war overprint. All that I have seen have Dutsches Reich crossed out and I've never see those kind of bars before. At the least, I would say the stamp is suspect.
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Posted 08/21/2015   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This was actually a "first day cover" celebrating Hitler's "going to a warmer climate" just as Hieronymus mentioned above. It is of course a bunch of nonsense, but it is more like a Cinderella among covers!
"Abgegangen" is a nice way of saying that someone died, literally "gone away".

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Posted 08/21/2015   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB, the 'bars' are not part of the overprint, but a lame attempt at an local obliteration of Hitler's face. Michel lists no Austrian local obliterations like this. The stamp does appear to be a genuine Michel Austria #662, which is quite common.
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