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Dating The Alsterpavillon In Hamburg

 
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Posted 09/29/2015   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ikeyPikey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Q/ Can y'all help me date this image of the Alsterpavillon in Hamburg?

One issue is perspective: this is the landside of the building, and most images are of the riverside.

One issue is chronological: images from the early 1900s show a very different roof, and the building was destroyed in 1942.

But if you check the name over the door, it is the Alsterpavillon!

I'm guessing that folks who know cars ...

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsterpavillon ... die Wiki-Seite

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...sterpavillon ... das Wiki Commons Fotoarchiv





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Posted 09/30/2015   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Presumably, this is the building constructed in 1900 and razed in 1914. Your image is the same as the building as I've seen flying the Third Reich flag. So we're between 1914 and 1942, which you must know.

I wish I knew cars better, but they look like models from the early '30s to me.
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ikeyPikey,

As KGB stated above, the Alsterpavillon shown on your card is the fifth Alsterpavillion, which places the date somewhere between 1914 and 1942. Judging by the cars, I'm guessing late 1930s.

Of note, many of the later postcards showing a Nazi flag over the Alsterpavillion have the flag Photoshopped in (or the 1930s equivalent).

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Posted 09/30/2015   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... So we're between 1914 and 1942, which you must know ...


Thank you for the kind thought, but all I had found to date was that the c1905 building did not have the high roof & statuary ... I did not know it was razed in 1914.

So many of the architectural details are similar; was the building razed, or did they merely raise the roof?
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I'm pretty sure it was completely redone.

Here's some history: http://www.welt.de/print-welt/artic...-anders.html
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The Weimar Republic flag was three solid bars, and that ain't what's flying on that building.

In fact, I see block letters:



http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de193345.html ... good reference for flags of the Third German Empire 1933-1945 (Third Reich), but I don't see any flags with block letters.

Meanwhile, this guy sure looks post-1932:



If he's not a mailman or policeman or whatever, that would narrow us to 1933-1942.

Q/ Could the Alsterpavillon be flying sort of banner for the 1936 Summer Olympics?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Some of photos I've seen show the Alsterpavillon flying the Hamburg state flag. Your flag, ikey, doesn't quite fit that bill, however.

Can you see what is flying on the other two staffs?
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Posted 10/01/2015   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB: Here are the other two flags.

(For a commercial slide show, I once tried to photograph a flag waving in the breeze. I was on a tropical island, where the breeze *seemed* steady, but the flag would open wide, flop closed, open wide. If you were watching casually, it seemed evenly rhythmic; but if you were trying to catch the flag during its best quarter-second, the event was clearly random. After I went thru a whole roll of 35mm color slide film, I was confident that I had one or two pretty good shots. One was more like it.)

The flag at the west corner of the Alsterpavillon:



The flag at the south corner of the Alsterpavillon:



Q/ Does that help?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Sadly, no. They look like pennants and aren't open enough to give much of a hint of what they might tell us.

Incidentally, the weather looks cold in your photo, so I doubt if it was taken during the summer.

As for the man in the dark uniform, I don't think it's military.
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