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Posted 12/15/2015   08:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Special thanks for your splendid images that bring out the full beauty of engraved stamps.

Michel is wrong in saying that #666 and #667 had comb perforations because all stamps printed on diestamp print presses have harrow perforations. Besides, they could have been printed on a Johnston press - hardly anyone remembers which diestamp print press printed which stamps then.

Stickney presses used line perforation and collectors often complained about poor quality perfs in the early 1950s, which was explained by the inadequate quality of paper that had to be used to extract ink from the printing cylinder of the old rotary presses.

The problem was finally solved by purchasing the new WIFAG press in the second half of 1951.

On the other hand, stamps printed by photogravure required a different quality of printing paper and no complaints were raised about their comb perforations.

As for the PRAVDA Printing Works, Bratislava, its first post-WWII stamps appeared in 1946 (see http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...ku-do-vlasti ) and its last ones were the Zápotocký definitives (see http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...in-zapotocky ). PRAVDA, a large enterprise, could have printed anything from stamps to newspapers, magazines and books then.

Two more photogravure issues appeared: the Stalin Monument in 1955 (part of the Liberation set, see http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...skoslovenska ) and the Army Exbibition, Prague 1956 (see http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...brana-vlasti ). Both issues were printed by the Post Office Printing Works, Prague and harrow perforations were used.





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Posted 12/15/2015   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian, thanks as always for your expert knowledge.

I suppose Michel figures that since there is hardly
any difference in the final product between comb and harrow
perforation, why bother.
At least Michel lists whether comb or line perforation,
Scott does not.
I found this info re perforation differences on Austrian
stamps.http://www.austrianphilately.com/perfs/

Plus on threads here on SCF
http://goscf.com/t/28265

Here scroll down the page to jorgesurcl's post which illustrates
the differences perfectly
http://goscf.com/t/36638

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Posted 12/15/2015   5:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And many thanks for these translations of terms that you had
posted in the Engravers Thread but belongs here just as well,
maybe even more so.

Datum vydání / Date of Issue:

FDC: (click on the icon)

Návrh / Designer:

Rytec / Engraver:

Náklad / Print Run:

Zoubkování / Perforation: RZ = Harrow Perf.ŘZ (with diacritic over Ř) = Line perf., HZ = Comb Perf.

Tisková forma / Sheets per Printing Form:example ( 2 x 50 = 2 sheets of 50 stamps)

Způsob tisku / Method of Printing: OTr = Rotary Recess Print; OTr+HT = Rotary Recess Print combined with Photogravure, HT = Photogravure, OF = Offset, OTp = Recess Print from Flat Plates, OTp+OF = Recess Print from Flat Plates combined with Offset.

Now I can finally use this online catalogue of stamps issued in Czechoslovakia & Czech Republic.http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...in-zapotocky
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Posted 12/16/2015   12:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian you mentioned previously that

President Zápotocký definitives were often printed on both WIFAG in Prague and Stickney in Bratislava.
Again, WIFAGs are easily recognisable by their very regular harrow perforations while Stickneys can always
be told by their somewhat imperfect line perfs.


The online catalogue shows this.



Both appear almost like line perforated stamps not( RZ 12˝) harrow as stated.
The 30h looks to be perf 11˝ so it must be harrow.WIFAG
The 60h was only issued line perf 12˝ Stickney

Now when I look at these three of mine below.....



...I believe the first 30h (Mi816a) is comb sorry harrow perforation, the second 30h (Mi816b) & the 60h (Mi 817) are obviously line perf and slightly larger.

So is Michel right or wrong about the printers and the 1956 issue of which there is nothing in the online catalogue?




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Posted 12/16/2015   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The online catalogue http://www.filaso.cz/katalogy.php includes only the basic stamps but not any perforation varieties. POFIS #740A (= Michel #816a) was originally printed on the WIFAG (with harrow perforation) in Prague and issued on July 18, 1953 followed by POFIS #741 printed on the Stickney (with line perforation) in Bratislava and issued four days later. POFIS #740B was, however, first printed on the Stickney (with line perforation) in Bratislava in 1956.

As all these stamps come from the original die, the online catalogue does not distinguish between the perforation varieties of POFIS #740A and #740B. Besides, as these definitives are reprinted according to requirements, it does not differentiate between the years which the respective varieties were printed in and as there was no WIFAG printing of the 60-heller value, the online catalogue presents both values as printed on the Stickney in Bratislava as can be seen on http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...in-zapotocky .

Likewise, with POFIS #999-1000 ( http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...onin-novotny ) printed on the WIFAG (with harrow perforation) in Prague, no mention is made of the simultaneous Bratislava Stickney printings with line perforation even though the shape of the figure 6 in 60h is quite different in both of them (no reference to it being made in catalogues!). See http://www.cpslib.org/ayp/1958.htm and compare http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1958-1000A.htm with http://www.cpslib.org/aip/1958-1000B.htm .

Incidentally, the Bratislava printer printed the 30-heller value in the wrong colour which went on sale at some post office counters. When the error (chybotisk in Czech) was discovered, there was a protest from new-issues subscribers and the printer had to try and reprint the stamp in the wrong colour (POFIS #1091), which failed because the original errors can be recongnised under UV light. See http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...onin-novotny including the attached auction info.
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Posted 12/16/2015   8:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian, thanks for all that additional information.

It's odd though that why would the catalogue illustrate
only the two Line perf Stickney values and
then below state
Zoubkování ( Perforation): RZ12˝ (Harrow)
instead of ŘZ12˝ (Line perf)
At least they got the OTr (Rotary Recess Print)part right.
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Posted 12/16/2015   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I notice on these two 60h that the names of the
designer and engraver are larger on the stamp on the right.



Also the horizontal gum breaker lines are visible.
Stamp appears to be CTO, going by the full gum and
suspect cancellation.

Stamps like this and from other East European Communist
countries were mailed out "free" from Stamp Companies
if you agreed to receive (didn't have to buy) their
approval offers.

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Posted 12/16/2015   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Florian or any of our other linguists .

Any idea what the slogan says?





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Posted 12/17/2015   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving - Just give http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...in-zapotocky another look: Zoubkování / Perforation: ŘZ 11 1/2 (Line) , not RZ 12˝ (Harrow). With http://www.filaso.cz/katalog-znamky...onin-novotny both peroforations are given: RZ 11 3/4 : 11 1/4 (Harrow) and ŘZ 12 1/2 (Line).

"The names of the designer and engraver are larger on the stamp on the right." - An optical illusion, IMO, perhaps due to over-inking as well as faulty wiping of the printing cylinder with the first stamp.

Slogan - "...IVTE" looks like "NAVŠTIVTE" = VISIT, ...B/DNÍ DOM.... - could be anything, ...(LE)TNÁ = part of Prague if this, ...(ZÁVOD) MÍRU (CO)... - Závod Míru was the International Cycling Race Prague - Berlin -Warsaw or the other way round if this. Sorry.



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Posted 07/07/2016   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Czechoslovakia appears to be the country that has used the Stickney rotary press more than any other country except for the U.S. Starting in 1925 with Scott # 105 and ending in 1958 with Scott # 871, the recess engraved stamps with perforations 10, 13.5 and 12.5 (maybe also 12.5 x 12 and 12 x 12.5) have been printed by the Stickney rotary press. This also includes the recess engraved stamp with perf. 12.5 from Carpatho-Ukraine (Scott # 1) and recess engraved stamps with perf. 12.5 from the German protectorate/occupation of Bohemia and Moravia. The Stickney rotary press stamps are all recess engraved, have line perforations and have gum breaker lines/bars on their gum.
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The Stickney rotary press was invented by Benjamin R. Stickney who was an employee of the U.S. Government Bureau of Engraving and Printing in Wasgington DC. with U.S. patent numbers 1,115,127 and 1,378,386. U.S. Presidents have been shown on U.S. stamps printed by this press. Kings have also be shown on Canadian, Belgian and Swedish stamps printed by this press. Czechoslovak leaders and politicians have also been shown on the stamps of Czechoslovakia printed by this press. Also add to this list the following infamous dictator too from the stamps of Bohemia and Moravia of which this is only one Scott # 90 out of many others that there are engraved with perf. 12.5 including Scott # 68-83, B9-B12, B18-B19:


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