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Argentina / Buenos Aires 1858 Issue. Are They Legit Or Forgeries?

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Posted 01/15/2020   11:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm kind of surprised they didn't include the full set of those for you Paul. :)
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Posted 01/16/2020   02:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
first to look are the side (frame) The fake are curve do to the fact of photo, the original are printed with plate engraved. Firs.

Second is the paper, which even is same type the old and the new do not match.

In fact this series I thing have much more fake then genuine.

I like the tete-beche. is far behind any imagination. 1850's printing, wow ! will be the biggest variety in the word.

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Posted 01/16/2020   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bill --Didn't know it wasn't a full set until years later .

Good to see you posting ,hope all is well with you and the family .

We are doing well in Florida but I have been going up to Chicago to see the grandkid ,strange ,each trip is timed to a Rasdale Stamp Auction .
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Posted 01/20/2020   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add r.cebrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have other forgery:
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Posted 01/21/2020   12:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Heheh, I have a few full sheets of the more common forgeries, like Paul's. None of those though.
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Posted 11/29/2020   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zubykins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many years ago, I collected primarily US Stamps, Plate Blocks, FDC, etc. Because of this interest in collecting, I received a collection of Argentina Stamps from a native as a gift. The time has come to part with the my collection as my kids aren't interested.

Here is where I need some guidance in finding the optimal path to take with selling the collection. I have a number of questions but let's keep it simple for now and deal with the Buenos Aires #1 that I have.

I have two reasons to hold some optimism that its the real thing. First is that it is such poor condition that it doesn't make sense to be counterfeit. Second, is that I received the collection in the mid 1960's; how many counterfeit's were around then?

I like the idea proposed below of involving the APC but, since the condition is so poor, does it even make sense to invest in it?

There is substantial experience in this forum so I am asking if you could take a look at these photos and let me know your thoughts. The stamp has a hole and the photo is torn.




So is there a chance that my space is genuine? Is it worth spending the money to use API?

Thanks soooo much,
Steve
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Posted 11/29/2020   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome, Steve,
Opinion.
Fake

Quote:
First is that it is such poor condition that it doesn't make sense to be counterfeit. Second, is that I received the collection in the mid 1960's; how many counterfeit's were around then?


A counterfeit does not have to make sense.
Most often, made by dim individuals, whom only reason is greed.
Fakes have been made from as early as the 19th century.
Certainly forward to the API if you feel strongly enough.
Good Luck.
Google "Barquitos" for more info
A tete-beche pair sold 2008, Seigel, $575,000

http://goscf.com/t/5831 br /
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Posted 11/29/2020   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Barquitos. Sold at auction July 14th 2014 ...... $1.25
2 sheets


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Edited by rod222 - 11/29/2020 7:06 pm
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Posted 11/30/2020   06:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Second, is that I received the collection in the mid 1960's; how many counterfeit's were around then?


Thousands upon thousands!

Forgeries of the Mulready Envelope exist,
Envelope issued 6 days after the 1d Black in 1840.

Attributed to the Senf Bros, of Leipzig.

(along with the dollar value US Official stamps.)


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Posted 11/30/2020   8:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zubykins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all!

I 've accepted the fact that it is indeed fake so I've decided to include the BA #1 with the rest of the album for sale. Maybe it will create some additional interest.
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Posted 11/30/2020   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to break with tradition here and say it might actually be genuine. It's obviously not from sheets such as Rod's (I have a bunch of those sheet too), the spacing between the stamps are too close together. The bulk of the forgeries were like Rod's and are easy to discern, but the better forgers (like the one who did the tęte-bęche shown above) did a better job. My first thought was genuine, my second from a good forger, either way it's pretty close to worthless in that condition, but can make a better story. :)
Oh, it's not Scott 1, it's Scott 7. Scott 1 is a different color (light brown).
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Posted 11/30/2020   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There you go zubykins !
send it in for an API
It would be fabulous if it were genuine........
Let the truth prevail.
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Posted 12/01/2020   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zubykins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found a couple a eBay sales of my stamp in better condition than mine for like $4.00.

I added the BA stamp to the primary photo to try to catch (or bait) a buyer. It worked too well as the album sold within 3 hours for the Buy It Now price of $100. Now, I'm thinking I should have . . . (Dozens of regrets)

I am moving on to my next task which is selling my foreign stamp collection. I guess I need to open a new posting?
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