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Posted 02/23/2020   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

From Maury's section on postmarks, under "Cachets annexes":

Le cachet "chiffre dans un circle" a été utilisé par les bureaux de Paris pour les recommandés et les lettres chargées, mais aussi pour les obliterations du jour de l'an.

Le cachet "chiffre romain dans un circle" semble avoir été utilisé pour les correpondances ver l'étranger.


which I read as:

The stamp "number in a circle" was used by the Paris offices for registered letters and insured letters, but also for New Year cancellations.

The stamp "Roman numeral in a circle" seems to have been used for foreign correspondence.


I'm not sure about the best translation for "lettre chargé" but I think it refers to a letter with declared value so my best guess in this context is "insured".

The illustrations show neat round postmarks but maybe this one has just become distorted by the way it was applied?
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Posted 02/23/2020   10:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. Thanks Nigel, wonderful.
Thanks very much for your time.
I am thinking perhaps a rubber hand held hammer,
yet the size of the impression would suggest not.
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Posted 02/24/2020   04:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The things that catch you out.
I was sorting a huge bunch of France, and this lady was face down,
and I saw what I thought was a watermark.

France does not use watermarks!
So I go Googling before even turning the stamp over.
Ink bleed from a Slogan Postmark ! Sheesh.

Whilst on the subject of Watermarks

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I could tell you the 5c Ceres of France has a "LACROIX" watermark on some stamps and is very hard to find

Author : gusgug

Has anyone an image of that Watermark?

PS: What I thought was a Wmk Coconut palm is possibly a Poinsettia Slogan (Christmas)
Sc# 942 "Ship of State"
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Posted 02/24/2020   07:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

Info from Maury:

The watermark reads

LACROIX
FRÈRES

in outline letters with serifs.

The watermark is split over 8 or 12 stamps at the edge of the sheet.

It was only used in the last printing of the 5c towards the end of March 1876.

The price for a used single stamp in the 2018 catalogue is 150 euros.

There's an illustration in my 2009 Maury which is where I got the other info.
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Posted 02/24/2020   07:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And here's the illustration from Maury Timbres de France 2009:

The watermarked variety is listed as #53j.

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Posted 02/24/2020   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod.
It's more like a palm tree

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Posted 02/24/2020   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!
Thank you so much, boys and girls.
We are blessed to have such knowledgeable philatelists here.

Even the meter I was thinking of, was not a Poinsettia.....
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Posted 02/24/2020   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1975 Villes Nouvelles.

1976 Centre
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Posted 02/24/2020   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1900 Steiner Page 10.
Type "Merson"
Have not carried out any work on these, I suspect the 2Fr to be a forgery.
Further reading regarding Forgeries here
http://goscf.com/t/55602 br /
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Posted 02/25/2020   04:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sc#116A and 119A
"Rights of Man" Type Mouchon.
2 Print pass, examples, Numerals printed seperately.
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Posted 02/25/2020   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thematic : First mention of Tennis on a postage stamp (for me) that beats the rest by some 30 years.
Cannot find the slogan anywhere else.
Cannes: Polo Golf Tennis
Sc#125 1900 Type "Merson"

Tennis: Origin "Jeu de paume" invented in the 13th Century by French Monks.

Erasmus writes a poem in 1527..."Racket Ball game" and mentions for the first time written "Tennez" (Tennis?)

Acknowledgement : Exponet
TENNIS - A VERY OLD MODERN SPORT
EXHIBITOR: GUNNAR DAHLVIG, LAHOLM, SWEDEN

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Posted 02/25/2020   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

It's great when a stamp lines up so nicely with its postmark!

Here's a cover showing a full postmark:

Seen on a listing from Auktionshaus Christian Wapler.

A third line adds two more sports: YACHTING and HIPPISME (horse racing).
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Posted 02/25/2020   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Nigel, Extraordinaire !
Wow...thanks a bunch. Great to have that image.
So a roller cancellation, not a meter slogan! (or maybe a continuous machine cancel)

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and HIPPISME (horse racing).

Never connected the two before....HIPPODROME.

Issued under Occupation Alsace and Lorraine)
1916 Steiner Page 51.
Note : William Steiner has incorrectly placed two spots as 20c on 20pf, (Blue and Ultra) should read 25c on 20pf.

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Posted 02/26/2020   01:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add crispinhj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Here's a cover showing a full postmark:


Great that under the stamps these are denoted as Des Sports Elegants!
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Posted 02/26/2020   01:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod.
German Occupation stamps for Alsace-Lorraine exist (1870/71 and 1939/45)
But in 1916 Alsace-Lorraine used german stamps (without overprint) since it was part of German Reich from 1871 to 1919.
The stamps you show were used in the part of North of France which was occupied by German Army (and in Belgium too)
In Michel catalogue they're listed under "Etappengebiet West"
http://www.germanstamps.net/imp_occ_west/
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