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Posted 01/11/2017   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well... it seems that a line has come out of the thermal printing - the lower part of the "2" and the lower part of the "5". (and part of the "0".)
That's the same as the previous "small values", but now in a different place - the 2nd row - and the new printing.
I have one (first printing) where the line comes out of the top part of the "8", and another where it comes out of the bottom part of the "8".
All to say that I haven't got a handle on why this is happening - hence my previous question.
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Posted 01/13/2017   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agondocz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Used on cover from the Richmond Hill Post Office:



The cover is franked with the domestic rate Albert Henry Robinson and was postmarked on January 6, 2017.

Best wishes,
AndrewG

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Posted 01/13/2017   9:37 pm  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one Andrew. I hope to go into Vancouver again in the next week or so and I think I will make some covers like that.

I think I will load up on "permanent stamps" and see if I can find the variety Sak shows.
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Posted 01/13/2017   9:56 pm  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sak, BC, can you clarify what you mean by the 2nd line, and the shifts? perhaps a couple arrows to show will help...
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Posted 01/14/2017   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the stamp on the second row (Tom Thomson)
the thermally printed value has a print line missing (red arrow)



This phenomenon has been extensively reported here and offered as a variety on eBay on the first 18-digit printings.
Notably on the $1.20 bottom and $1.80 bottom stamps, the latter in two places.

My latest missive concerns the fact that the same phenomenon has appeared on the 14-digit printing, in a different place.
Obviously no one has corrected the problem - whatever it is.
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Posted 01/14/2017   10:31 am  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sax. I will have to check my sypply now.
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Posted 01/14/2017   11:22 am  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have started to check my supply obtained during my Dec 24 visit at the Richmond Hill facility and here are a few interesting varieties on the "permanent" one.
First, in a series of 50 (all ending with numbers 2823, the 1st one that came out shows the small permanent on the top stamp (MacDonald one). 2nd strip appears normal as the other 8 strips
I then ordered a strip of 5 and on this one, the small permanent lettering appears on the 2nd stamp (Thompson)
Since this has also been reported on the Vancouver ones (18 digits and the Richmond Hill (14 digits), it tells me that there will likely be many many varieties to collect in these issues.
I also have a set of the Vancouver with the ski slopes that I can show later (11 printed on the LL bottom of each strip).
As for used copies, I can offer a few Richmond Hill permanent ones on an envelope, (issued from Ottawa, in exchange for same from the Edmonton or Vancouver ones. This will become handy overtime, as I think early use of those would be relatively scarce.






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Posted 01/14/2017   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Incidentally, here's a poor scan of the two different "8's" I was writing about:



In the left example, the top part of the "8" is short.
In the right example, the bottom part is short.

These are from the 18-digit printing.
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Posted 01/14/2017   11:50 am  Show Profile Check Gilles le timbre's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sak,
My Vancouver 18 digit also shows the short 2 on the 1.20 value, in addition to the ski slope (11) on the bottom (Thompson) stamp.
I guess it is time to start a little bit of inventorying what's out there. Certainly a good topic for the Corgi Times ESG study group.
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Posted 01/14/2017   12:05 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If these are printed using DT (Direct Transfer) thermal printing, you would be able to 'scratch' a black mark on them (i.e. using your fingernail or the edge of a coin). Does anyone have a stamp they are willing to try this on?

If they are DT, then there will be a LOT of field variances. This is because the print quality depends upon the paper coatings and the amount of heat applied in the printer head at time of printing. For example, if the kiosk is cold and/or the printer has not printed any stamps for a while, the print would be lighter. The hotter the print head gets the darker it will print. Printers with a lot of wear and tear will not heat as much as a newer one.

And the stamp paper coating is critical, if the coating is not uniform, the resulting printed section can show lots of variances (i.e. missing words/characters/numbers).
Don

Edit: The print height probably relates to the speed the stamp is traveling when printed. This could be impacted by the paper path wear, size of paper stock roll, etc.

I am unsure how these might be classified, variances/variance types might be a very large number once a more complete census is understood.
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Posted 01/15/2017   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sak,

Did anyone notice that the numbers 1.80 are noticeably larger on the top two stamps than on the bottom two stamps in your last post above. This in itself is a variety for sure.
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Posted 01/16/2017   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah... that's what I was trying to show. In both examples, the bottom stamp values are missing a line.
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Posted 01/16/2017   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdn-booklets to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I look at the image, it unfortunately is not high enough resolution to determine if it is truly a Missing line, or just squished together. If a line were missing I would expect to see a more jagged character, but the character itself looks OK, just squished. If squished it may be the paper flow past the print head that causes it - eg if the flow slowed for a millsecond or something like that the whole row would be squished but the characters formed OK. Can you look at the stamps and count the lines of print on them and say that one stamps shows 13 lines and another 14 lines (the lines #'s used are not true counts).
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Posted 01/16/2017   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay - I got a bit better scan.
---------- left --- normal --- right stamps



The digits on the right stamp are slightly smaller
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Looking at your new image, I would still say these all have the same number of print lines, they are just squished together. The centre "normal" stamp has rougher spacing and you can sort of see the printlines - the outter edges are not smooth, but a bit jagged. The left and right are smoother characters, but I suspect the same number of print lines. So I still do Not believe there are any missing lines (you are more likely to get a white space) and these varieties are caused by the feeding of the paper through the printer getting slowed at certain times (maybe relates to the heat of the print head?). I think even the cases that can be seen where the 4th stamp printing is high may relate more to the printer slowing for some reason at that area of the strip - is that maybe due to the cutter coming into play after the first strip prints and before the second one has finished printing - this is just a big coil roll of stamps and the cutter may cause that push back for these spacing problems to occur - just a thought.
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