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Posted 03/07/2020   5:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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1953 Circa Postcard Cancellation : Boxed 635
2 x Sc#299 (1953)

Believed to have been used at either Milton Bridge, Midlothian or Kings Cross, Arran in Scotland, Used to cancel stamps missed by the machine

It is rather odd that a cancellation used in Scotland was applied to cancel stamps on a postcard that may well have been sent from Manchester, England to Australia.
Of course, the card may have been purchased in Manchester and posted in Scotland.
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Posted 03/07/2020   9:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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See page 7 and further.

Thanks NSK....A non searchable PDF, what a waste.
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Posted 03/08/2020   05:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

On page 9, you show a two pence blue with white lines added.


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Sc# 29 1858 Plate 9.
"Thin Lines" ? would these be the white line, above and below?


Yes.


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Are these "Thick Lines" ?


It looks like they are.

The SG Specialised Great Britain Catalogue, volume 1 lists:

thick lines: plates 7, 8, 9 with type I Large Crown watermark
thick lines: plates 9, 12 with type II Large Crown watermark
thin lines: plates 13, 14, 15 with type II Large Crown watermark

Under the latter listing is an imperforate blued Dr. Perkins Paper from plates 9 and 13. I wonder whether this is a boo-boo by SG. It seems strange a plate with thick lines suddenly becomes one with thin lines. There do not seem to be two plates numbered "9" from what I read in the catalogue.
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Posted 03/09/2020   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello NSK,

I only have the old fifth edition of the catalogue so am probably looking at a different edition to you.

Nevertheless I don't see the problem with plate 9 that you are referring to.

I see no problem with one plate being used with more than one type of paper.

"Imperforate examples are known from Plates 9 and 13 - the latter being liable to confusion with a printing on experimental paper.

Watermark type II is found sometimes on Plate 9, always on Plate 12."

I guess I'm misunderstanding your point?
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I have the twelfth edition (February 2001).

Based on the main listings G2 (thick lines) and G3 (thin lines), plate 9 is G2.
G3f states: Imperforate Dr. Perkins Paper (blued) (plates 9, 13).
In the main listing plate 13 is G3 (thin lines) and plate 9 is G2 (thick lines).

Now, that makes me wonder what plate 9 is doing under entry G3f that is a thin lines stamp. It made me wonder:
- was plate 9 a thick lines plate turned into a thin lines plate (or thin lines made into thick lines);
- was a second plate 9 made with thin lines that was used for the printings on the Dr. Perkins Paper;
- did Stanley Gibbons print 9 instead of another plate number; or
- did Stanley Gibbons list the imperforate plate 9 printing on the Dr. Perkins Paper below G3, when it should have been listed below G2?

The first two possibilities would make it possible for plate 9 stamps to exist with thin lines. Probably, however, one of the last two possibilities is what happened.

As I said: just wondering.
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Posted 03/09/2020   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Replying as a courtesy to assistance, thank you.
Frankly, I cannot understand, as I do not have the corresponding catalogue
for reference.
I have learnt of the "Thick Lines" the rest, all I have in my 2013 Concise, is..
I regularly have problems understanding S/Gibbons.
From this, the corollory would suggest thin lines could not exist on Plate 9.

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Now, that makes me wonder what plate 9 is doing under entry G3f that is a thin lines stamp. It made me wonder:


I think the penny dropped.
Gibbons in their wisdom, places an "Specimen" Plate 9 under a listing as "thin lines"
I think this is a separate listing, the "thin lines" description does not travel to listings below it.

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Posted 03/09/2020   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the clarification NSK.

I agree that we can rule out your first two options.

The other two options both seem reasonable:

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- did Stanley Gibbons print 9 instead of another plate number; or

- did Stanley Gibbons list the imperforate plate 9 printing on the Dr. Perkins Paper below G3, when it should have been listed below G2?

In my catalogue I can only see two references to the Dr Perkins paper for either G2 (SG 45) or G3 (SG 46-47) and these are:

- G3 variety f - Imperf. Dr Perkins paper (blued) (Plate 13)

- G3 variety s - Dr Perkins paper (Plate 13) Perf. 14 "Specimen"

There is no mention of Dr Perkins paper for Plate 9.

Given the dates Plates 10 and 13 were put to press I could imagine Plate 9 being used to print a test sheet on the new paper in say early 1868 with a similar test with Plate 13 in 1869 but this is pure speculation!

If there is a Plate 9 stamp on Dr Perkins paper then I would expect it to be listed as a variety of G2 as you suggest.

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I think the penny dropped.
Gibbons in their wisdom, places an "Specimen" Plate 9 under a listing as "thin lines"
I think this is a separate listing, the "thin lines" description does not travel to listings below it.


It is interesting to see that your Concise lists the imperforate stamps as I would expect; i.e., plate 9 under thick lines and plate 13 under thin lines.
I think the second series of numbers under entry 46s, i.e., (6, 8, 9, 10), refers to the type of the specimen overprint and not to the plates. The plates are given as (pl. 14, 15). Both are "thin lines" stamps.

Specimen type 6 occurs on plates 14 and 15;
Specimen type 8 occurs on plate 14;
Specimen types 9 and 10 occur on plat3 15.




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I regularly have problems understanding S/Gibbons.


I can understand that.

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Posted 03/10/2020   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK Thanks for your assistance, on my behalf.
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Posted 04/20/2020   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2013 One Pound Bistre Self Adhesive Forgery, complete with Barcode and P100.
Stanley Gibbons var U2934
Ace Stamp Auctions, Perth Western Australia 29th March 2020
Reserve $150
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Nice work if you can get it.
British Commonwealth Omnibus Printings (Crown Agents?)
1973 Example (Not exhaustive)
Part of a free gift from member Geoff Ha, Thank you.
(Common Design) CD325
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Are any members able to estimate the CV of the Cindrerellas
"Festival of Britain" (Animals)
Giraffe, Orangutan, Okapi. etc.

Would they fetch $10 each ? (AUD) 6


My bid of $2 was not quite accurate.........
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Posted 07/05/2020   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice poster stamps!

I really like the giraffe.

I was delighted to see some real giraffes and many other animals on Friday at a local safari park which has reopened to the public.
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