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Posted 06/17/2017   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message
Bought a lot of Austrian covers , all addressed to the same person.
In the lot there were 2 registered covers, and both of them had a stamp on the back.
Was this a common practice to put a stamp on the back to show the letter was registered?
Also found interesting, that not only there are wax seals to close the back, but there are also wax seals in the interior to further protect its content I guess.



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Posted 06/27/2017   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hi codexluminati:It's not surprising if the letter was sent too a''von Barco'' they were an old noble military family.Just my guess anyway about the seals.I can't make out the wax seals ,ther is maybe a sheild or something in them.May give some information about the sender(military)..
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Posted 06/27/2017   3:22 pm  Show Profile Check BeeSee's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice cover codex. Yes, it was common to put stamps on the flap to seal it back then.
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Posted 06/27/2017   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks perf12 and Bee See.
Yes, it was a noble, since few covers have Baron referring to him. Also, he was a Major in the army as this cover testify, but cannot understand the full title in the address, if anyone can help.

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Posted 06/27/2017   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Link too some more info.There is some Spanish ancestry in all this.The first letter was addressed too Gabriele .
http://www.bernergeschlechter.ch/hu...erson=I55160
Will have to dig a bit further....
Found this on e bay.at -in reference to your Wien red cancel.



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Edited by perf12 - 06/27/2017 7:16 pm
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Posted 06/27/2017   7:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Seiner Hochgeborn" = more or less "His Highness"
... K.K. ...= Kaiserliche und Königliche = "Imperial and Royal"
... Ritter ... -Ordens = "Knight of the Orders of ..." followed by "&. &." = etc. etc.
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Posted 06/27/2017   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks perf12 and hy-brasil, that is some info that I need it.
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Posted 06/28/2017   04:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first letter bearing oval date stamps Josefstadt in Wien 28/3 Recommandiert (= Josefstadt in Vienna March 28 Registered) is addressed as follows:

Ihrer Hochgeborn!
To Her Highness
Gabriele Frei/herr/in
Gabriele baroness
von Barcó
of Barco
/Wien/ Landstrasse.
/Vienna./ Landstrasse.
Am Glacis 499 /: alt:/

From:

K.K. Oberst im Pensionsstande
Imperial-Royal colonel in retirement
Ferdinand Glaninger
/Wien/ Josefstädter Strasse Nro 59
/Vienna/ Josefstadt Street 59


The address on the next cover reads:

Seiner Hochgeborn!
To His Highness
Dem K.K. Herrn Major
in der Armee

Major of the Imperial-Royal Army
Ritter des eisernen Kron.-Ordens &.&.
Knight of the Iron Crown Order, etc., etc.
Eduard Freiherrn von Barcó
Eduard baron of Barco
/Wien/ Landstrasse.
Am Glacis Nro 499

For Freiin and Freiherr, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiherr

For Am Glacis in the address, see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiener_Glacis , where it says that those were open spaces existing between the Viennese city walls and the suburbs from 1529 to 1858. They originally served as defensive fields against attackers from outside.

For Orden der Eisernen Krone (Österreich)[/i] and several of the order's knights, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order...wn_(Austria)

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Edited by florian - 06/28/2017 08:33 am
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Posted 06/28/2017   10:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@codexluminati - that are some awesome covers, thanks for sharing . Do you have any more of these 'hochgeborn' covers to envy?

Great feedback from the forum, as always, always something new to learn from you good people, thanks
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Edited by Blaamand - 06/28/2017 10:12 am
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Posted 06/28/2017   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
WOW florian, great work traducing all the addresses. Thank you!
Now I just have to copy your work to add to my page

Yes Blaamand, I have more , but all to the same address.
Here 2 examples

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Posted 06/28/2017   10:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stuff !

I am curious about the curved square postmark in previous post, does the shape signify any special purpose? Thanks in advance
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Posted 06/29/2017   06:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codexluminati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No idea Blaamand, I dont have any reference on austrian postmarks.
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Blaamand, those rectangle and fuzzy postmarks was popular in the pre-stamps area, ...here some Wien post mark pre-stamps area, quite elaborated , it comme from the Edwin Muller's "Handbook of the pre-stam^s postmark of Austria"



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Edited by area66 - 06/29/2017 07:12 am
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Posted 06/29/2017   07:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
codexluminati - You are welcome.

The address on Letter 3 reads:

S/eine/r Hochwohlgeboren Herren
To His Highness
Baron Eduard von Barko K.K. Major in
Baron Eduard of Barko, Major in the Imperial-Royal
der Armée und Ritter mehrere Ausgezeich-
Army and Knight of several distinguished
neten Orden
Orders
Landstrasse No 499
in Wien


Here's Letter 4 :

Ihrer Hochgeborn!
To Her Highness
der Baronesse
Baroness
Gabriele von Barcó.
Landstrasse. Heumarktstrasse.
/Country Road. Haymarket Street./
früher am Glacis Nr. 499
formerly Am Glacis No. 499

Regards,

Florián
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Edited by florian - 06/29/2017 07:32 am
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