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Posted 07/12/2017   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

I show some precancels and other cancellations I have - I suppose they are not all precancels? Can we say that all cancels that are not vertical or horizontal are not precancels?

and: the 1st and 2nd row I can't figure out at all which towns they are?

If someone has time for an answer - thank you.

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Posted 07/12/2017   4:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty sure the box cancels aren't pre-cancels. Probably parcel?
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Posted 07/12/2017   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, 12 is Boston, Massachusetts.
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Posted 07/12/2017   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would guess #1 is Bellfonte PA 704, #6 interesting, would need a better scan - the others not precancels. Sometimes diagonals are precancels, usually not. If the name does not fit on the stamp then almost always not.
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Edited by redwoodrandy - 07/12/2017 7:21 pm
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Posted 07/13/2017   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answers.

Chasa: I made a better image of this stamp, is this better? And about the other stamps: I thought that stamp 2 and stamp 6 could perhaps be a precancel? Is it not because you just know it or is there another hint like the lines that are not sharp enough?



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Posted 07/13/2017   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Most of the stamps you have are not precancels. The precancel devices were designed with the thought that the entire printing could fit on the stamp, usually a definitive such as the Washington-Franklins, 4th Bureau, Prexies or Liberty series stamps.

Even if the device was not centered when impressed, you end up with a split precancel, making it possible to determine the city/state. This is an example of a split precancel:







Sometimes, the impression from the device was either lightly applied or underinked, resulting in an impression such as you have in #1. The general rule is that if it cannot be read without a magnifying glass, it's not collectible.

The only other precancel on the page is #6 and I cannot tell the name of the city from the image.

All the others are box cancels with the city and state in a box. #7 is a straightline city cancel.

Hope this helps.
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Posted 07/13/2017   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamperix, please put a better scan of the only two precancels on the page, no's 1 & 6. You put up the wrong one, no 7!

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Posted 07/13/2017   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry everybody, couldn't read my own picture and numbers :). Here the two precancels in better images. I can't figure out both of them. But they seem interesting, first one perhaps double precancel, and second one reading up.





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Posted 07/14/2017   08:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add begoniabo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
17 cent. Sherrill, NY?
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Posted 07/14/2017   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Number 7 is not a precancel. It is a straight line cancel from somewhere in the state of Wisconsin and a city name ending with a letter E.
2-5, 8-11 and 12 are also not precancels.

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Posted 07/14/2017   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you both - yes, begoniabo, the Sherrill is good. I didn't see the "e" and "i" correctly, now I do. that is Sherrill.

Chasa, is the image good enough for you, as you wanted to have a closer look? Is the precancel interesting because of the direction or other things?
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Edited by stamperix - 07/14/2017 2:15 pm
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If I may, it is probably interesting because of the 17 cent denomination. That was an unusual amount, probably not often seen.

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Thank you both. I am not a longterm precancel collector - but I think there is no source for which stamps are common or not for precancels, right? In the PSS catalogs there are only information about the overprints, not about the stamps? Or is there both?

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just looked at eBay and well, there seem to exist other 17c with precancels :) - in both directions.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precancel-L...AOSwmFNZZ4RS

So I would guess precancel on 17c Wilson is more a bit common.


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Edited by stamperix - 07/17/2017 03:57 am
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Posted 07/17/2017   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamperix - right, in general. There are about 2 million different US precancel denominations. Current prices can be found for bureau print and DLE denominations but others are just a guess. Those 17c Wilson's were much used in the precancel era.
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