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Posted 09/17/2017   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add thepackrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
what is the oldest known pre-cancel. Do these go back to the Columbian issue or much later.
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Posted 09/17/2017   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, the oldest pre-cancels to back much earlier than the 1893 Colombian U.S. Series. Usually just one or two lines, or other indications like a star.

Good question.

I do not know for sure what is the oldest known pre-cancel.

Good luck

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Posted 09/18/2017   12:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By later do you mean earlier, as in 1861? A printed precancel CUMBERLAND, ME (on cover) in the 1861-62 listing for U.S.63 is the first mention I found.
There are two pre cancels listed as premiums in the 1873 issues for U.S. 156, a Printed G for Glastonbury, Conn. and a Printed Star, for Glen Allen, Va. 157 and 158 also list the GA star.
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Posted 09/18/2017   01:23 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1857 Weston MA "W" manuscript precancel?
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Posted 09/18/2017   07:58 am  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are precancels on the 1 cent 1857 issue as well and perhaps the 1 cent 1851. Precancels were widely used by photographers on revenue stamps affixed to the back of photos during the Civil War...
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Posted 09/18/2017   08:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't forget the Wheeling Virginia grid which exists on both the 5 and 10 1847 stamps. It is a portion of a target cancel which will be found in one of the four corners of the design as the cancel was applied to 4 stamps at a time.
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Posted 09/18/2017   10:47 am  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I intentionally didn't mention the Wheeling grid since it's generally viewed as a "control mark" and not as an intended precancellation device. (or that's my understanding, at least - I'm happy to be corrected if the scholarship has changed).
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Posted 09/18/2017   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And if we're talking about the 1857 and 1861 issues, you can include Harrisburg, PA precancels:
http://www.rfrajola.com/harrisburg_precancels.htm
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Posted 09/18/2017   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add thepackrat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info everyone. I am learning a lot from this site.
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Posted 09/18/2017   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richard Frajola to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Several of the 1844 Independent Mail Companies used precanels. Hale's probably the first. This item is oldest in my currect PM census.

http://www.philamercury.com/covers.php?id=21582
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Posted 09/18/2017   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And to help round out the story a bit, I suppose one could also consider "ad-hoc" pre-cancels. I've seen a modest number of pen cancelled 1851 issue stamps on cover over the years, with one or more pen strokes that go off of the stamp, to the extent that they should tie, but don't.

Of course, some clearly don't belong on their covers, but I'm quite sure that some do. The local postmaster for whatever reason, separated a multiple of stamps from the sheet, and cancelled them. He then separated and sold those individually.
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Posted 10/17/2017   03:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What this thread is discussing is the "SILENT PRECANCEL".

The best authority on the subject is Dave Smith. Dave is a a foremost dealer and member of the PSS and has written many articles and the following monograph entitled, ""Silent precancels: A catalog of lines, bars, and designs on the 19th and 20th century stamps used postally in the United States" and it is available on Phil Bansner's website: https://www.philbansner.com/Philate...th__david_w/

You'll find a primer on the subject on the PSS website at: http://www.precancels.com/precancel-primer/

Info on The Providence Silent Precancel is at: http://www.lcps-stamps.org/page5/fi...dhesives.pdf

There is an SCF thread on the subject at: http://goscf.com/t/41202#355620

And many others are found in the book: "POSTAL HISTORY AND USAGE OF 1907 AND EARLIER PRECANCELS" by Charles C. Souder, 1989, published by D.G. Phillips Publishing Co.,Inc., North Miami, FL. also at Phil Bansner
https://www.philbansner.com/Philate...__charles_c/

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Posted 10/17/2017   03:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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1857 Weston MA "W" manuscript precancel?
Don


Hi Don,


As you can see - Page 302, Skinner & Eno label them as "Quill Pen Cancels"


Hope that helps.

Best,
Hal
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