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Scott 2276 Flag / Fireworks Tagging Question

 
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Posted 09/26/2017   07:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add angore to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Mark had found a difference in the Flag/Fireworks issues that shows up under SW UV.

The question is why does one have a dot pattern over most of the tagged image and the other has a random look?

Is it the printing process?


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Edited by angore - 09/26/2017 07:13 am

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Perhaps due to different screen sizes for the phosphor ink application? Are the stamps from different formats (sheet vs. booklet)? They may have been printed on different presses.

My 2 cents.

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Posted 09/26/2017   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Angore, I have noticed that before. Check on some of these issues that have been printed by two different printers - you will find the same thing.
The easiest would be on your coils. Check one with a B prefix and one with a P prefix.

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I have 1 sheet single and 1 booklet single with the sporadic pattern. I have a whole booklet with the grid like pattern.

The booklet and sheet were printed by BEP.
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Posted 09/26/2017   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Angore, are you sure? The BEP has not printed any stamps in a while that I know of.

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Posted 09/26/2017   11:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From stampsmarter.

Scott Number: 2276
Description: Flag and Fireworks
Denomination: 22c
Color: multi.
Details:
Perforation: 11
Printing Type: Photo.
Gum Type: Water Activated
Paper Type: tagged
Number Issued: 730M
Printer: Bureau of Printing And Engraving
Date Issued: 5/1/1987
Watermark: Unwatermarked

same for booklet version
Plate Numbers: Plate Numbers
Value: eBay 'Sold' Values

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Angore. I had the newer stamps in mind. If you check some of the latest coils they have exactly the same type of tagging.

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Posted 09/26/2017   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it is a difference in tagging mats for the same issue?
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I think it is a difference in screens. One has a finer screen than the other.

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Angore, when I first noticed the dot pattern was on the Flag in the Clouds issue. It was printed twice. First was the "B" prefix and then when they sold out we got the same stamp with the "P" prefix. This second stamp has the same dot pattern, or so it seems like.
Now, if you look at the new Father Herburgh stamps ( coils ) you will notice the same pattern.

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Posted 09/26/2017   10:35 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps the top mat had worn some, or perhaps the top example was overinked (too much taggant) Either thing would cause a blurring/blending of the cells (dots).
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Posted 10/07/2017   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mstocky2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is meant by different screens? What screens are being referred to?
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Posted 10/07/2017   11:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based upon a comment on the other SCF it is just a difference in age of the tagging mats.
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Mystock, the word "screen" is not used correctly above . Tagging, at least here in the States is applied by means of a flexographic mat. Hence the word "mat" keeps coming up in the above posts. By the way, a lot of times these mats are made from worn out precancel mats.

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Posted 10/07/2017   11:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wanted to know if anyone had an image of a typical tagging mat. I had guessed the dot matrix is part of the mat that may be used to capture the taggant but just a guess.
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Quote:
the dot matrix is part of the mat


yes
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