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Posted 12/03/2019   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't the portion of text on the cert above the "and we are of the opinion that" reflect the description of the submitter? IOW, the PF did not identify the the position on the older cert as 97R1L, but rather the submitter did. The second time around the submitter identified it as 96R1L, with which the PF agreed.
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Posted 12/03/2019   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dudley - yes, that is correct.
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Posted 12/04/2019   08:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the clarification Dudley. I've actually never submitted an item to the PF so not entirely sure how it works but your explanation certainly makes sense.
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Posted 12/06/2019   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This seems like an appropriate place to show this cover:


Positions 55-56L1L, each recut once at top and bottom, left stamp with double transfer
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Posted 12/06/2019   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
chip - congrats. Wonderful cover.

I was looking for a couple items in that sale to chase, and that cover was on my short list. I didn't bid on it though, and wound up getting a different item.

One subtle thing about Chips cover - beautiful stamps aside, is it was carried by an American packet steamer. During 1855 the Crimean war caused many British Cunard steamers to get diverted to assist the war effort. As a result, the formerly much less used American packet steamers started carrying more of the transatlantic mail load.

For normal letters, this was much more expensive to the sender, who had to fork out 21c versus just 5c for the British packet. The exception: printed matter such as this was 2c to western europe regardless of packet.
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Posted 12/07/2019   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just spent some time checking the plating.

I concur with 55-56L1L.
Both relief A.
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Posted 04/18/2020   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
91R1L ?


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Posted 04/19/2020   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stallzer, I think rather 93L1L. I don't see any doubling in the UL ornaments, but there do appear to be "rust marks" in and below the E of CENT as well as in Ornament N at UR.
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Posted 04/19/2020   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do see your point. I was basing my ID on the top recut.
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Here is an interesting bottom row pair. It was listed as 93-94L1L. The right stamp does have the mark to the right on the bottom left ball but neither stamp shows the rust that should be on these positions. It might be a real early copy before the rust came to be.

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Posted 07/25/2020   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly a clear looking pair!
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Posted 07/26/2020   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if it is known when the rust damage occurred on the plate? I do not recall ever seeing one of the rust positions without the rust. It had to have been very early after the recutting. I wonder if the early copy without the rust would command a premium value?

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Posted 07/26/2020   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess it depends on the buyer. Certainly is a nicer appearing stamp without the rust spot haze.
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Posted 07/26/2020   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It is remarkable how very consistent these markings are in impressions struck after 1854.


Above quote from Neinken.

The plate was cleaned sometime in 1854, which dramatically changed its appearance.

I haven't ever studied the progression of the rust marks myself.

Welcome back jaxom, nice to see you.
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Posted 07/26/2020   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It appears that plate one late occurred in the middle of 1852.


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In its original, or first (early} condition, the plate was used until sometime in the spring of 1852, at which time, probably in May, it was taken out of use and turned over to the transferring department for the purpose of improving the designs on its surface


Then the cleaning altered the design to give sharper lines and probably where the rust spots occurred.


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The plate was again re-conditioned at some period in the early part of 1854, but at that time no alterations were made as the plate was simply thoroughly cleaned. Stamps from sheets printed just prior to the cleaning show they came from a very dirty plate, the lines of the design being far from sharp, and the stamps have a very dull appearance. Subsequently we find entirely different appearing printings. These show the lines sharp and clear with a white background to the designs. Such printings also show that the surface of the plate was showing signs of wear. In this cleaned condition, the plate continued in use until sometime in 1857.


Quotes are from Neinken's book.

So the April postmark would indicate that the year would most likely be 1853.
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